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re: Was slavery an important factor in the Civil War?

Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:43 pm to
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:43 pm to
Want there a state that made a deal with Lincoln to stay neutral and keep slavery?
Posted by KingOrange
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:51 pm to
NO. It was not the overriding factor.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:55 pm to
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Just buy guns and build a bunker already damn.

Debating the merits of antebellum southern contributions to the US is as worthless as debating merits of Kerensky vs Lenin. The OP couldn't give a shrew's tooth about Confederates, the south, or slavery. The debate island hopped that diversion months ago.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:56 pm to
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I'm glad this board has finally broached this subject.
Amen!
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:00 pm to
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Also most of these statues were not built right after the war, but rather later during the Civil Rights movement and Jim Crowe in order to send a message that their was a status quo that was going to be maintained.


Well, this isn't true at all. The vast majority were built between about 1885 and 1920. This is when the surviving veterans were getting older and their children/grandchildren were coming of age.

Now, you can certainly question those from 1950 on. The issue is complicated in the 1960s because that was both the centennial AND the Civil Rights movement, but those built up through the Great Depression shouldn't be as questionable as those in the 1950 or 1960s.
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:00 pm to
There are so many Other threads to ramble about Marxist’s in.
Posted by TupeloTiger
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:02 pm to
Slavery was only important to plantation owners, not regular white people, just the rich upper class. I'm 68 yr's old and as a kid in the 50's, me and my 3 cousins met one saturday in Mer Rouge and Bastrop with our grandparents on a holiday. They told us their land was left over from the original settlers to them. Their grandparents settled there to grow meat to resale to the public. Chickens, hogs, eggs, and some cattle. They did not have slaves, could not buy them in Monroe, south side of town. Only a few had slaves. They were almost poor. The civil war to them was not over slaves. 90% did not fight a war over them. It was the Northern rich people telling them what to do and bossing us around like England used to do. Same thing. My greatgrandparents told us that story.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:02 pm to
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But the statues are not of common, run of the mill soldiers,


Well, they weren't going to build millions of statues, now, were they?

And there are memorials to common Confederate soldiers that are also under attack.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 6:17 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:06 pm to
Look up the declarations of secession.
Posted by ItTakesAThief
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:08 pm to
It was about economics more so than slavery. But for the south at the time slavery was a big part of economics as the slaves provided the workers to produce raw materials that were sold to factories.


There was a dispute at the time about whether the south’s raw materials should be sold to northern factories who were in the industrial revolution and wanted to produce finish goods to sell to Europe and the US. The south was getting a higher price to sell the finished goods to Europeans to produce goods in their factories during the industrial revolution

The north then blockaded the southern ports to stop European shipping and the sell of raw materials the Europeans bypassing the northern factories which ultimately started the war.

So it was more complicated than just slavery it was all about the economy and the pocketbooks of the northern industrialists
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 6:11 pm
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:08 pm to
Yes. It was in their articles of secession. The Democrats would literally kill to keep their slaves.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:19 pm to
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Almost every western country has abolished slavery by 1865. In France, Denmark, Netherlands, Great Britain, it had been abolished for many years.


Having so very few slaves did make that easier, so the parallel doesn't really work (that is if you are not counting colonial empires).

The Latin American aristocrats, oligarchs and autocrats had many slaves, but ended slavery for economic reasons not long after the American Civil War. They did so peacefully without invading anyone.

Slavery didn't end in the 1800's. It was re-invented in the USSR's massive gulags and the National Socialists concentration camps.

But, hey, Boinie loved him some Moscow subway stations even thought they were built by Soviet slave labor.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 7:56 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:22 pm to
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to the southern rich which obviously controlled the southern government yes, but to a large part of the south it was "the second war of independence" . During any speech made by southern generals or writings down to southern privates diaries is slavery ever mentioned, most believed they were defending their country against an invasion.


Virginia had a slate of electors to decide on secession. They were predominately against it until Lincoln raised his army to invade.
Posted by Drank
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:27 pm to
lmao it’s THE major factor in EVERY single CSA state’s Ordinance of Secession.
DEMOCRAT leaders LITERALLY chose to send men to fight to the death by the hundreds of thousands in order to keep people of color in bondage to preserve an agrarian economy.
Just sayin’ .. as a history nerd.. this ain’t the hill to plant your Saint Andrews Cross on and die. Democrats absolutely fought a war to keep people of color in bondage.

This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 6:36 pm
Posted by WorkinDawg
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:42 pm to
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lmao it’s THE major factor in EVERY single CSA state’s Ordinance of Secession.


If we had a coal based economy, and the North wanted to outlaw our ability to mine, use, and sell coal, then EVERY single CSA article of Secession would've said "coal"....see how this works? The Civil War, like all wars in human history, was fought over economics. Recasting as a moral crusade is a benefit given to the winner.

If the North were so virtuous as to send their boys to fight and die for the freedom of Africans I suspect the Emancipation Proclamation would've also freed Northern slaves.
Posted by 19557LSU
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:49 pm to
Is this where it stops? I think not. They took down a statue of Fredrick Douglas! Hardly a racist.
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:31 pm to
I agree that it was a big part of the reason for succession. But don’t you think it’s disingenuous to say Democrats wanted to keep slavery and things like Democrats voted to keep segregation and against the civil rights act. There was a huge shift in the parties. White, southern conservatives (the group that is largely Republican today) were Democrats during the time you are referencing. Remember the Ronald Reagan quote “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic parry left me.” There was a huge shift in the 2 parties during the 60,70, and 80’s.
Posted by Dawgfanman
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:35 pm to
Slavery exists today and you benefit from and monetarily support it.
Posted by TiketheMiger
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:36 pm to
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It was a war about money, first and foremost.


Yea the money that slavery brought in.

Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:40 pm to
Does that make it right or something to celebrate or honor?
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