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re: Was slavery an important factor in the Civil War?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:16 pm to sabes que
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:16 pm to sabes que
Ok first off you’re gonna have to understand a couple things because I think you’re missing something important and that maybe why we’re not understanding each other.
-Democrats who are conservative in the south are local politicians and voters but there are a lot of em.
-a National/Federal Democrat is not allowed to be conservative. They’d never make it to the starting line money wise
- you’ve gotta be able to separate these groups because they are very different, all 3 groups. Remember the DNC is a coalition with a lot of moving parts and unstable portions.
-Democrats who are conservative in the south are local politicians and voters but there are a lot of em.
-a National/Federal Democrat is not allowed to be conservative. They’d never make it to the starting line money wise
- you’ve gotta be able to separate these groups because they are very different, all 3 groups. Remember the DNC is a coalition with a lot of moving parts and unstable portions.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 11:20 pm
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:17 pm to More&Les
Also, if there was no switch, then why did black people change from voting almost 100 percent Republican to almost 100 percent Democrat? There was a switch, like it or not. I will not respond in kind to your insults and name calling. People should be able to disagree in a civil manner.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:19 pm to More&Les
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believe that you will Toddy, and I know that you have an open mind to truth, you'll be shocked at what you'll find but its there.
I am well read on a lot of the atrocities committed against blacks . I probably know more than many on this board. I also know how hopelessly complicated the Civil War was and the many nuances, contradictions, and inexplicable exceptions found in Southern culture. There is nothing , however, that justifies destroying reminders of and connections to past eras.
History is replete with occassions when the.”enlightened “ , seeking vindication or vengeance (depending on one's perspective) attempted to re frame or erase events of earlier times to assuage evolved social mores and delicate sensibilities. The Mob, in their self righteous indignation, may try to shame those who push back during their cultural purges. But it has always been and will always be to no avail. As has been true since the beginning of recorded time, history never remembers these events nor their participants (no matter how noble they perceived their intentions) in a positive light.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:22 pm to sabes que
Again you substitute causation with correlation. Why have black voters voted democrat for 60+ years while their communities have gotten progressively worse, from thriving to 3rd world, since it started?
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:23 pm to Madking
If there was a city with Democratic leadership in the south, and something was going wrong in said city. All conservatives would immediately pop off with “look at those cities governed by Democrats with high crime etc.” And they would be referring to that city having liberal Democratic leadership, not “oh well they are conservative Democrats”
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:26 pm to sabes que
Why has new business ownership gone from ahead of white men in the 50s to non existent since they started voting Dem? Why have 2 parent families gone from above white kids to dead last since the alleged “switch?”
Just because they’re being used, abused and fooled doesn’t mean the Democrats changed. They’re using the same oppressive control with better propaganda.
Just because they’re being used, abused and fooled doesn’t mean the Democrats changed. They’re using the same oppressive control with better propaganda.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:28 pm to sabes que
“If there was a city with Democratic leadership in the south, and something was going wrong in said city. All conservatives would immediately pop off with “look at those cities governed by Democrats with high crime etc.” And they would be referring to that city having liberal Democratic leadership, not “oh well they are conservative Democrats””
^^^^^^
Totally hypothetical with zero data support as well as completely irrelevant to the issue.
^^^^^^
Totally hypothetical with zero data support as well as completely irrelevant to the issue.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:30 pm to Madking
Almost every US congressman from the south today is Republican, almost every one in the 1960s was a Democrat. Almost every black person pre 1960 was a Republican, and almost every black person today is a Democrat. There was a switch at least to some extent. I will concede that there is a lot of factors at play to explain these two things, but to see such a huge transition within these two very large groups indicates a switch on some level.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:34 pm to sabes que
Ok it’s painfully obvious you just can’t grasp that the things you’re saying prove absolutely nothing. You’ve been given counters that cancel out the chanting like repeated rhetoric you’ve worn out and you’ve been given blatant examples of how they operated before and after the alleged “switch” even shown operators who controlled it then and now, same people. The information can’t be anymore clear, you can decide for yourself.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:39 pm to Madking
I feel as if you talk about the Democratic Party as something that is consistent throughout time. A given political party is just about the people who are members of it. The Democratic Party today is not the same as the Democratic Party 50 years ago because the members of the party are different.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:40 pm to sabes que
The Clintons and Biden, along with a slew of other Democrats credit “ROBERT BYRD” as their mentor. Obama praised him for goodness sake and he was a head Klansman. Now how to you reconcile that fact with the myth of “the switch”?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:42 pm to sabes que
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This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:44 pm to Madking
And David Duke was a Republican. Neither one proves either party in modern day is overall racist or supports racism.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:48 pm to sabes que
Lol seriously man? Ok well, I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:52 pm to Madking
Liberal vs conservative is a much better litmus test when trying to uncover political beliefs or motivations over time than Democrat vs Republican. Parties change and evolve. I believe there was somewhat of a switch between the 2 parties (especially in the South) between the years 1960 and 1980, I guess we can just agree to disagree.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:55 pm to sabes que
One more thing I will say. If almost all white southerners pre 1960 were Democrats and almost all black people pre 1960 were Republicans. Which is more likely, that the parties “switched” or that the thinking of these two groups completely changed to align with the beliefs of the respective parties?
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:06 am to sabes que
You can’t be a prisoner of two ideas here. You’re talking about far more than just two groups and changes that span a wide variety of reasons. You just don’t really understand southern politics and you’re painting the vast majority of southerners with opinions you’ve taken from a handful of national names who don’t reflect these people at all. As far as the black vote changing, if you can’t see clearly what the Dems have done to them you’re either and ideologue or a moron. You’ve been given specific examples and unprecedented amounts of data and yet you continue to trust in a fairy tale. This is why we’re in the situation we’re in right here.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:11 am to sabes que
It never dawns on you that something is a miss when only one ethnic group votes so heavily one way yet for 60+ years their plight continues to worsen? They’re the only group that is totally married to a party, a party that has promised them “vote for us and we’ll save you from the evil (fill in the blank)”. How do you reconcile their record while having total control of government in these communities? They simply don’t have a fact to stand by only regurgitated rhetoric.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 12:26 am
Posted on 7/10/20 at 4:51 am to Madking
American Indians owned slaves and took them to the Indian Nations when they moved. Yankees owned slaves as did Black people.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 5:00 am to SammyTiger
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HOWEVER, people get wya to altruistic about why the North decided they needed to go to war to keep the South From seceding. It was to preserve the Union.
It was to preserve the money flowing from the South to the north. At the time of the Civil War, the South paid more into the federal government, yet most federal funds were spent in the north.
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