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Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:15 am to jnethe1
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So some people with names that appear earlier in the alphabet having more success means there is such a thing as luck? Lol
You just unwittingly proved my point. Luck is a thing or things outside one's control that contribute to their success. You are finally catching on.
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The reality is that no matter what you are given, no matter how talented you are, if you do not have good work ethic and have a tendency to make bad decisions then you will fail.
Again you are building up strawmen to knock down. Noone has made any claims contrary to the above.
Our only claim has been that there is some lucky break (I know the word luck triggers the frick out of you but it will be okay) that contributed to your success.
It is not a difficult concept to accept if you are secure enough as a person to acknowledge.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:15 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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You’d think these self-made, bootstrap pullers would have the slightest bit of humility.
You ask of us humility when you accuse us of having accumulated that which we have due to no action of our own?
Try again.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:16 am to jnethe1
Dude you are getting way too personal. Many of the people in poverty are quite literally stupid. I don't even mean that as an insult - just a literal statement to their intelligence, as mentioned earlier in the thread. They have a severely low IQ and would never be able to do the things your dad did. Not just "too lazy" but mentally and physically unable to even dream of doing the things your dad did.
You're being very obtuse to think only of your dad and apply that to poverty across America.
Take a drive down one of the poverty stricken streets of BR and start talking to the people on the porches. Come back and honestly tell me they have anywhere near the intelligence, physical/mental ability, etc. to do what your dad did.
The bootstraps mentality tends to only consider people of similar mental capacity as those who believe it. -- people with a decent level of intelligence and a healthy body/mind. Many people in poverty do not have any of those things. You're acting like its a bunch of bright, able-minded, able-bodied people skipping around their shanties, not working anywhere of value intentionally.
Really, it is a bunch of low IQ, mentally unsound people.. who can't contribute any of the things you're asking even if they had the ability to decide they wanted to.
You're talking about "sleeping at the business" in a conversation about people who sometimes cannot string words together to form grammatically coherent statements.
You're being very obtuse to think only of your dad and apply that to poverty across America.
Take a drive down one of the poverty stricken streets of BR and start talking to the people on the porches. Come back and honestly tell me they have anywhere near the intelligence, physical/mental ability, etc. to do what your dad did.
The bootstraps mentality tends to only consider people of similar mental capacity as those who believe it. -- people with a decent level of intelligence and a healthy body/mind. Many people in poverty do not have any of those things. You're acting like its a bunch of bright, able-minded, able-bodied people skipping around their shanties, not working anywhere of value intentionally.
Really, it is a bunch of low IQ, mentally unsound people.. who can't contribute any of the things you're asking even if they had the ability to decide they wanted to.
You're talking about "sleeping at the business" in a conversation about people who sometimes cannot string words together to form grammatically coherent statements.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 10:17 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:16 am to jnethe1
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You ask of us humility when you accuse us of having accumulated that which we have due to no action of our own?
Again with the strawman. Please stop arguing in bad faith dude.
Noone is denying your hard work or agency over your actions. Quit willfully misrepresenting our position.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:17 am to jclem11
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You just unwittingly proved my point. Luck is a thing or things outside one's control that contribute to their success. You are finally catching on.
So that is the basis by which you claim there is luck... wow
Everyone catches a break, it’s what you do with it that determines what the future will be. Again, our decisions today determine what our tomorrow will be.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:17 am to magildachunks
quote:This^!!!
very little convictions
When I left Tulsa 1/2001 the most dangerous and well armed street gang was the rich kids of South Tulsa (the affluent area). They had no worries about their shooting and drug dealing since Mommy and Daddy hired the best law firms to keep the constabulary and the courts under control along with keeping the family name out of the press.
Southside Mommy and Daddy solution to every problem: throw some money at it, if that doesn't work, keeping throwing till it does.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:18 am to jnethe1
quote:good god... no one is saying this whatsoever
that which we have due to no action of our own?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:19 am to jclem11
Can I increase my “luck”?
If luck had any part of it, then the idea that what I have built being mine is illegitimate.
If luck had any part of it, then the idea that what I have built being mine is illegitimate.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:20 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I have a question for you.
Do you think that Tom Brady is lucky?
Do you think that Tom Brady is lucky?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:21 am to jnethe1
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Luck isn’t real.
Our decisions today determine our future tomorrow.
this is a disturbing lack of self awareness 
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:23 am to jclem11
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Our only claim has been that there is some lucky break (I know the word luck triggers the frick out of you but it will be okay) that contributed to your success.
Sadly, he's not even touting his own success but his dad's.
Probably why he argues and debates like a 12 year old.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:23 am to Slippy
I teach and coach in a south Louisiana public school.
I could answer this question, but would definitely be fired in addition to making national headlines.
I could answer this question, but would definitely be fired in addition to making national headlines.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:24 am to jnethe1
quote:I think he’s the greatest QB of my time and I am a big fan.
Do you think that Tom Brady is lucky?
He’s been incredibly lucky.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:25 am to GreatLakesTiger24
What’s the difference between Tom Brady and jamarcus russel?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:26 am to jnethe1
Like 70 iq points
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:26 am to jnethe1
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Can I increase my “luck”?
Without doing any digging or research, sure? I suppose it depends on your definition of luck.
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If luck had any part of it, then the idea that what I have built being mine is illegitimate.
Why? The argument regarding luck does not discount or discredit hard work or talent.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:27 am to LouisianaLady
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Dude you are getting way too personal. Many of the people in poverty are quite literally stupid. I don't even mean that as an insult - just a literal statement to their intelligence, as mentioned earlier in the thread. They have a severely low IQ and would never be able to do the things your dad did. Not just "too lazy" but mentally and physically unable to even dream of doing the things your dad did.
this raises a question of how bad parenting affects IQ. things like reading to children, having children read, eating correctly, etc. have major effects on brain development. it's a major reason why the single motherhood crisis has been flipped into "nuclear family privilege"
IQ is a fluid measure in terms of society. there are lots of non-biological reasons that affect IQ. it's why the Flynn Effect exists
the scarier proposition, ignoring the racism, is to argue the opposite of what I just said in the context of modern society.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:28 am to jnethe1
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What’s the difference between Tom Brady and jamarcus russel?
A lot, but if JR was drafted into a franchise like New England w/ a GOAT level coach... things could be very different.
You’re so bad at this I almost want to make better
Arguments for your side
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:28 am to jnethe1
Tom Brady is the perfect example of someone having both luck, and working hard to be successful. He caught a lucky break when he was the backup and Drew Bledsoe got hurt. He worked hard and performed well enough to never relinquish the starting position.
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