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Will wade on 3 pt defense
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:00 pm
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Go to the last 1:45 of the video to specifically hear him discuss this.
He seems to believe its kind of a luck stat. I admittedly havent researched it much. Whats your take on this?
Go to the last 1:45 of the video to specifically hear him discuss this.
He seems to believe its kind of a luck stat. I admittedly havent researched it much. Whats your take on this?
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:01 pm to josh336
Him believing it is a luck stat would explain why his teams have been poor at defending it.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:06 pm to josh336
Sorry but it's not a lucky stat when it happens every game.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:07 pm to josh336
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He seems to believe its kind of a luck stat
Can't listen right now. What exactly do you mean by him saying it's a luck stat?
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:08 pm to josh336
Without listening...
A lot of it is luck, one of the biggest stat swings game to game is 3 point shooting. There's a lot less variation in 2 point shooting and FT shooting even compared to 3 point shooting. You shoot 47% one game then 17% the next, not uncommon.
That being said, we suck at defending the 3 and the law of averages over the season agree with that. We simply do not guard close enough out on the perimeter and let bad guys get good looks and even bad guys will make them when you allow that so often.
So yes, he's not wrong 3 point defense is kind of a luck stat game to game. But over the course of a season 1 team that allows 36% 3 point shooting vs. one that allows 26% in the same league is clearly defending the 3 probably a lot worse than the 26% team.
A lot of it is luck, one of the biggest stat swings game to game is 3 point shooting. There's a lot less variation in 2 point shooting and FT shooting even compared to 3 point shooting. You shoot 47% one game then 17% the next, not uncommon.
That being said, we suck at defending the 3 and the law of averages over the season agree with that. We simply do not guard close enough out on the perimeter and let bad guys get good looks and even bad guys will make them when you allow that so often.
So yes, he's not wrong 3 point defense is kind of a luck stat game to game. But over the course of a season 1 team that allows 36% 3 point shooting vs. one that allows 26% in the same league is clearly defending the 3 probably a lot worse than the 26% team.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:09 pm to josh336
Kinda like PM saying a hitting coach does nothing
He’s fricking wrong
He’s fricking wrong
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:09 pm to josh336
Going back to his first Chattanooga team, opponents have shot between 33-35% on 3s, never ranking in the top 100. Yes there is some luck game to game shooting 3s, but overall there is a trend that his teams are not good at defending the 3.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:11 pm to josh336
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He seems to believe its kind of a luck stat. I admittedly havent researched it much. Whats your take on this?
I think he's specifically referring to the broader stat and how it's calculated simply being the number of 3's made vs. number of 3's attempted.
There's enough variables in the relatively small number of three's attempted in a game that judging performance solely on the stat isn't accurate.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:11 pm to josh336
Our guys tend to be out of position and flat footed when it comes to guarding guys on the perimeter. Its not a coincidence that every team lights us up from outside or has guards that easily drive to the goal. Even when they get to the goal we let the score or commit a touch foul. If our guys just learned a few defensive fundamentals we’d be almost unstoppable.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:13 pm to josh336
Auburn couldn't miss from 3
they were shooting better in the game than most teams do in practice
they were shooting better in the game than most teams do in practice
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:14 pm to josh336
While I think our perimeter D sucks, there’s no stopping that Auburn kid who was throwing up prayer 3’s and hoping for the best
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:17 pm to josh336
I agree it's based on randomness. But he is delusional if he thinks uncontested 3's are just as easy as heavily contested 3's with somebody in your face.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:18 pm to josh336
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He seems to believe its kind of a luck stat.
So here's the thing--it IS, in large part, something that the defense can't control particularly well (this has been proven true across large sample sizes). However, there are two huge caveats: 1) wide-open 3s will always go in at a higher-rate than contested 3s, and 2) three point ATTEMPTS allowed IS very much within the defense's control.
Basically, at the end of the day, poor 3P defense is typically going to manifest more in the form of more 3PA allowed than in the form of a higher 3P% allowed. But that is absolutely NO fricking excuse for having guys go under on ball-screens while up 6 in the final minute against one of the best 3P shooting teams in the country.
I'm not a WW hater at all--i think he's an incredible recruiter and has breathed some much-needed life into this LSU basketball program--but the coaching down towards the end of that game was absolutely inexcusable.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:21 pm to josh336
Going under a screen against a 3 pt shooter is not "luck"; it's bad basketball. Hell, if a player does that for my son's 9th grade team they get pulled and an arse chewing. You fight like hell over the screen with other players talking telling you when/where the screen is.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:22 pm to josh336
LSU defends the 3 as if there is a land mine that will blow up if they extend over the 3-point line. That may be ok sometimes, but when a team gets obviously hot and you just need a stop or two to secure the game, you have to go beyond the line and stick on them like glue with hands up to mess up any attempt. LSU does not do this and they need some adjustments there. It was like we wanted to defend the 3, but only to an extent. And Auburn took that and ran.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:35 pm to josh336
For a team that's so lousy on defense and stopping three's, has anyone noticed that we are still tied for first place in the conference with legendary Kentucky and vaunted Auburn? What does that say about all the teams below us and especially those we have beaten?
To say that we don't try to contest three's is just crazy. I would really love it if someone had good stats on how many three's are wide open and how many do have a hand in their face. I also believe that it is the emphasis we put on rebounding and having to do a lot of help defense on the interior because we have a 6'6" center that allows teams to get off so many three's. The majority of times this pays off for us and sometimes it doesn't.
We don't have the kind of team that can do everything to perfection. We have to pick and choose our poison and sometimes it is the wrong choice.
To say that we don't try to contest three's is just crazy. I would really love it if someone had good stats on how many three's are wide open and how many do have a hand in their face. I also believe that it is the emphasis we put on rebounding and having to do a lot of help defense on the interior because we have a 6'6" center that allows teams to get off so many three's. The majority of times this pays off for us and sometimes it doesn't.
We don't have the kind of team that can do everything to perfection. We have to pick and choose our poison and sometimes it is the wrong choice.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:37 pm to josh336
Sometimes I think Wade relies too much on analytics.
He dares them to shoot those 3's and all it takes is one person getting hot.
He dares them to shoot those 3's and all it takes is one person getting hot.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:37 pm to josh336
Our problem isn’t 3pt defense. Our problem is wanting too many 3’s on offense.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 4:05 pm to josh336
For good shooters, the 3 point shot is a relatively easy shot to make if left unguarded. But if it is aggressively defended it becomes a low percentage shot. That is why it appears to be a "luck shot." You have got to be in the shooters face when he catches the ball. If you are 3-4 feet away and just reaching out toward him, he is open. It's fundamental defense, man and ball. As soon as you see the pass coming, they need to be in their face. Our guys don't react until the pass is already received.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 4:07 pm to josh336
He's not a very good game day coach! The proof is in the pudding!
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