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re: Should a paternity test be mandatory?
Posted on 12/24/19 at 9:45 am to Globetrotter747
Posted on 12/24/19 at 9:45 am to Globetrotter747
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The thought of a man working through life to unknowingly support a wife who cheated on him and conceived another man’s child is pointless?
I don't think the government should be involved in this.
As others have said, maybe if child support is involved. But it's not the governments job to monitor relationships.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 9:49 am to Tarik One
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If a woman shows any eagerness for you to sign the birth certificate, don't sign.
You're right. Only a woman that cheated and got knocked up by another man would want her husband to sign the birth certificate.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 9:52 am to Globetrotter747
I've always felt paternity tests should be mandatory for the following reasons:
1) Every person should know, without a doubt, their biological parents, because of genetic issues that could affect the health of that person and their offspring.
2) If every woman has a high degree of certainty who the father is, the father should be afforded the same information.
3) Anyone who fathers a child, should provide mandatory child support. If they fail at this, then enlist them in the military, force them into community service, and garnish their wages.
Much of our social and education problems would go away with mandatory paternity tests and the above actions taken IMO.
1) Every person should know, without a doubt, their biological parents, because of genetic issues that could affect the health of that person and their offspring.
2) If every woman has a high degree of certainty who the father is, the father should be afforded the same information.
3) Anyone who fathers a child, should provide mandatory child support. If they fail at this, then enlist them in the military, force them into community service, and garnish their wages.
Much of our social and education problems would go away with mandatory paternity tests and the above actions taken IMO.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 9:55 am to 2tigergo
Great post, 2tigergo. I hadn’t thought about #1.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 9:58 am to Globetrotter747
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Supporting a child is a pretty damn big financial and emotional investment for a man
That won't get you any traction, no one gives a shite about men
You have to frame it the opposite way. "The man must show that he deserves to be the child's guardian. shite to get your jacket out of coat check you need to show proof, why are we just allowing undeserving men to have control over a child's future without first proving that it's his legitimate right?"
Posted on 12/24/19 at 9:58 am to Geauxtiga
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There would be many divorces if that took place,
How many? You think cheating is so rampant that what? 25% of children are born to a woman that cheated on her husband?
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:01 am to StringedInstruments
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Considering there are actual cases of men being forced to provide continual child support after finding out they aren’t the father, I say yes, it should be mandatory.
Also fraud in the Hood. Woman names father who is in jail for 18+ years. State doesn't go after real father, but now they can get benefits. something like that
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:02 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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How many? You think cheating is so rampant that what? 25% of children are born to a woman that cheated on her husband?
most studies say 3-5%
not many, just one in every class room
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:09 am to Globetrotter747
The way the law is in Louisiana now, it doesn't matter. The man who is married to a woman is the Father, even when he isn't. (We had a friend in NOLA who was separated, who knew who the kid's father probably was, but who got stuck by Louisiana law paying for the kid.) (After he died, his obituary read just a little bit differently, He is survived by his children, X and Y, and also by z.)
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:09 am to noonan
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If a woman shows any eagerness for you to sign the birth certificate, don't sign.
So if a man signs a birth certificate even though he (unknowingly) is not the father, what are the legal ramifications if it is later revealed that he is not the father?
What if a child is born that was clearly fathered by a man of different race and causes the husband to take immediate legal action, like the day the kid is born? How does that change things vs. finding out later?
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:11 am to real turf fan
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The way the law is in Louisiana now, it doesn't matter. The man who is married to a woman is the Father, even when he isn't.
That’s fricking wrong.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:12 am to Globetrotter747
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Let’s say John Doe is married and he and his wife have a kid. He secretly has a paternity test within a month of birth (not suspicious of adultery, just checking to be sure) and finds out the kid is not his. What recourse does he have? What if (instead) ten years pass and some guy from his wife’s past comes out of left field and (out of guilt) confesses to being the real father and a paternity test confirms that John is indeed not the father.
In the first scenario, the husband would likely not have to pay support. In the second scenario, the husband is screwed. Many states place time limits to challenge paternity once it's acknowledged. Even beyond that, courts can and do impute child support obligations to psychological parents. And here's another twist: let's say you're the biological father in the second scenario and had no idea you had a kid until a lawyer for the husband in a divorce action calls you out of the blue to explain what's happened. Even if paternity is established (for purposes of proving adultery and fraud), the courts will likely not allow you visitation at that point absent some sort of extraordinary circumstances. The moral of this story: women are evil.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:33 am to Kujo
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most studies say 3-5%
not many, just one in every class room
Man, I just don’t think that’s enough of a percentage to require that.
However, I’d imagine that there’s a fair amount of untrue answers on those things.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:35 am to iAmBatman
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I thought the OT was against Big Government??
There are a number of fake small government conservatives here.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:59 am to Globetrotter747
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mandatory
No. I generally don't like the idea of government forcing shite upon people specially if both "parents" do not want it.
I think the way it works here is if the woman agrees there can be a paternity test. If she does not then the presumed "father" has to ask the court for it to be done.
I think a presumed father should have the clear and legal right to have this test done. The woman should not be able to decline this and force the man to court for this test.
Obviously laws will have to written as to when the best time is for this to be done considering the health of the baby.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:06 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Man, I just don’t think that’s enough of a percentage to require that.
Wow, I think 3-5% is high for something that significant. Certainly high enough for me to have a paternity test if I should ever have kids, and I would recommend it to any male. Don’t let pussy and “that only happens to other people” make you neglect something that’s even more important than protecting your money and assets in the case of divorce.
In the age of texting, social media, chatrooms and dating sites if you have a reasonably attractive wife there is a good chance someone is trying to smash it. It’s easier now than ever before. And if your wife thinks Little Suzy might not be yours, she’s probably not going to tell you. And Chad probably is going to be less inclined to use protection with your wife if you’re the one who is likely to get stuck raising the kid if she gets pregnant.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:09 am to Geauxtiga
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There would be many divorces if that took place,
So? frick those whores. Let her try to get the real father to support her and her bastard.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:12 am to Globetrotter747
Fatherless homes are probably the number one driver of crime, poverty, and drug use.
So I seriously doubt the government would engage in a policy that would increase that number.
So I seriously doubt the government would engage in a policy that would increase that number.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:20 am to real turf fan
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The way the law is in Louisiana now, it doesn't matter. The man who is married to a woman is the Father, even when he isn't.
That’s not exactly true. The husband of the mother is legally presumed to the be the father of the child. If he is not, there are some legal hoops to jump through to disavow paternity.
Your friend is dumb and should have hired a lawyer.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:20 am to Globetrotter747
I have no clue if you can do this already or not, but I’d rather have an easy way for the father to request a test without the woman having a say. Nurses ask a lot of questions, one question should be who the father is. When the woman answers, they should then ask the man if he wants a test. Easy peasy. (Again, no clue if this is how it works now)
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