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re: New MSY Terminal design: taxi times to increase by 40% for inbound jets, 70% for outbound

Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36561 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:24 pm to
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How? By flying to Iowa to talk to him?

He knew damn well what was happening and chose to not do anything about it. Just like everything else in his second term.



Perhaps he thought it was a bad plan? Perhaps he wanted to use federal highway dollars on other more important projects. After all Edwards didn’t come through for NO until his re-election year, right.

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That's how bonds work... you pay for them with future cash flows. Do you think we shouldn't use bonds to pay for highway projects?


These aren’t regular bonds, they are GARVEE bonds. You don’t pay them back with tax revenues, it’s more of an advance on future federal highway funding. Edwards is spending our future federal highway money.
Posted by pmacneworleans
Member since Dec 2013
1997 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:28 pm to
Bingo. I'm not a fan of Landrieu, but Stewart once took out a full page ad in the Times Picayune blasting Landrieu over the statue removals. He's a critic of the airport since it's something that was the brainchild of Landrieu's.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37311 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:34 pm to
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bond is debt, municipality sells bonds for projects like that


Exactly, this isn't anything weird so I'm not sure why doubled is upset about it
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37311 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:38 pm to
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These aren’t regular bonds, they are GARVEE bonds. You don’t pay them back with tax revenues, it’s more of an advance on future federal highway funding. Edwards is spending our future federal highway money.



A bond is a bond is a bond, unless it's a James Bond...

Point being, a bond is used to spend money today to be paid off with money received tomorrow. No different than any other kind of loan.

Yes, this will mean we will have less federal highway money to spend in the future... unless we do more bonds in the future.

It's the same concept. It's just instead of using tax revenues, you are using federal revenues.

A city could pass a tax for road work, and instead of bonding it out, they could just spend the money on projects each year as it comes in. That's how you get money pissed away on small, stupid projects, while the major, needed projects never get done.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96902 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:44 pm to
You realize there is only a finite amount of federal transportation money each fiscal year, right?

At some point, there will be a cutoff on how many bods we can sell because we’ll be spending the next 50 years worth of money before it is ever earned.


At a point, cost overruns on this clusterfrick will end up costing the state the ability to work on other infrastructure projects.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3396 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:47 pm to
Air traffic controller speaking under the condition of anonymity is quoted by the Baton Rouge Business Report.

I’m sure the airport has issues and the expected delays quoted in the article may very well be correct.

However, it raises a red flag for me considering the article is from a Baton Rouge paper which likely has a bias in wanting to see the local airport succeed at the expense of the other. Especially when considering the airport in New Orleans has experienced unprecedented growth in passenger traffic over the past 5 years probably to the detriment of Ryan Field.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37311 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:48 pm to
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You realize there is only a finite amount of federal transportation money each fiscal year, right?

At some point, there will be a cutoff on how many bods we can sell because we’ll be spending the next 50 years worth of money before it is ever earned


I understand that. Kinda like toll projects... toll revenue can only support X amount of toll project spending.

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At a point, cost overruns on this clusterfrick will end up costing the state the ability to work on other infrastructure projects.


You know these bonds are covering the interstate work, which is seperate and apart from the airport itself, right?

We have a 15 billion dollar backlog on state highway work. We have no incentive to use tolls, or to raise taxes, or to cut wasteful spending, to deal with it.

I'd rather have the money go towards a useful project, then be wasted on repaving roads that don't need to be repaved.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36561 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:52 pm to
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A bond is a bond is a bond, unless it's a James Bond


No, there are different types of bonds.
GARVEE bonds are different than say the bonds they intend to sell for MovEBR.

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Yes, this will mean we will have less federal highway money to spend in the future... unless we do more bonds in the future.


But you have to plan and prioritize spending. Jindal pushed through interstate projects in EBR, Livingston, St. Tammany, Orleans, Jefferson and Calcasieu parishes that I recall.
Perhaps those projects were planned and in the pipeline long before Landrieu decided he wanted a new terminal there.

Federal funds are finite. La. has more needs than dollars. You can’t build it all at one time.
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13546 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:53 pm to
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This strictly makes no sense. The job of an airport is to be functional and this airport is not functional. It’s all about aesthetics.”


This right here is Louisiana politics in a nutshell
Posted by KevinFaulkDaGawd
Member since Sep 2019
203 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:57 pm to
What a colossal nightmare. Mitch's lasting legacy.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36561 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:57 pm to
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Exactly, this isn't anything weird so I'm not sure why doubled is upset about it


I’m not upset that Jindal didn’t put other interstate projects off and jump the airport ahead of them. You are.

I’m just pointing out that GARVEE bonds are not the same as munis, and that Edwards took future federal funding to advance this project, as well as the widening of 10 in BR and the Barksdale exit in Shreveport.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36561 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:00 pm to
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I'd rather have the money go towards a useful project, then be wasted on repaving roads that don't need to be repaved.


Of course, but I’d rather our tax dollars be used on the highest priority projects, and as part of a well thought out plan and not just to help the governor get re-elected.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425837 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:07 pm to
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It’s an airport. We’re prioritizing concessions over getting in and out quickly?

i have never, EVER, understood that argument

#2 is the "IT'S THE FIRST THING PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY ARRIVE IN NOLA FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD!"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425837 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:08 pm to
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The more efficient security check point set up

maybe

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with a much better luggage handling design

if people want to talk airport clusterfricks, THIS is the GOAT. if you think that goes well the first few years...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425837 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:12 pm to
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Do you think we shouldn't use bonds to pay for highway projects?

i don't think we should use bonds to pay for redundant, unnecessary highway projects
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425837 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:13 pm to
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However, it raises a red flag for me considering the article is from a Baton Rouge paper

does Nola have any papers anymore?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96902 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:16 pm to
Only zig zags filled with the diggity dank.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
26186 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:17 pm to
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does Nola have any papers anymore?



No and the politicians like it that way.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 3:18 pm
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
26186 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:26 pm to
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Bingo. I'm not a fan of Landrieu, but Stewart once took out a full page ad in the Times Picayune blasting Landrieu over the statue removals. He's a critic of the airport since it's something that was the brainchild of Landrieu's.


Stewart has done more for the city and state than 99% of all residents have ever done. Mitch tore the friendship they had apart with the statute issue because Stewart was a big contributor to all monuments in Orleans being in the funeral home business he understood that monuments help preserve history by keeping the stories alive of our past ancestors. Stewart is also a billionaire.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37311 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:32 pm to
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I’m just pointing out that GARVEE bonds are not the same as munis,


I'm not sure if you are confused or dishonest, but it's not a good look for you.

Muni bonds involve the borrowing of money to be repaid at a later date, via either a dedicated stream (dedicated tax or fee, etc), or as a general obligation bond (not pledged with a dedicated funding source).

Generally, as the agency collects the money, it deposits it, pays interest, and when it gets enough to pay it off, it pays it off, in one chunk.

GARVEE bonds involve the borrowing of money to be repaid at a later date (just like a muni), via FHA highway dollars. Instead of such highway dollars (a portion of the total highway dollars we get each year, mind you) being available for current spending, they are put into a sinking fund (just like a muni), interest paid (just like a muni) and eventually repaid (just like a muni).

It's the same principle, same ideas, etc.

You may not like the fact that they are being used for the airport exit, which is fine (and to some extent, I agree... I have said all along this exit should be a toll exit). But stop acting like this is some wild, crazy thing.
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