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re: New MSY Terminal design: taxi times to increase by 40% for inbound jets, 70% for outbound
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:07 pm to OysterPoBoy
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:07 pm to OysterPoBoy
Baton Rouge needs to get more direct flights
That's the only reason I fly out of New Orleans
That's the only reason I fly out of New Orleans
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:08 pm to notiger1997
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the airlines also push for a new airport?
I have no doubt they wanted some IMPROVEMENTS and I'm in no way arguing such was not needed. What they have done instead is looking more and more like misguided wasteful overkill - and not even overkill in a good way, it seems to me.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:09 pm to nicholastiger
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Baton Rouge needs to get more direct flights
ain't happening, direct just means no change in flight number btw, could be multiple stops, not necessarily non-stop
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:11 pm to mightynine
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Based on these taxi times from the article, the percentages make it sound far worse than it actually is.
While the times don't sound bad, it's important to remember that the aggregate time lost will affect how quickly planes are loaded and unloaded etc. Adding 4 minutes to the taxi time of 1 flight? NBD. Adding 4 minutes to the taxi time of 100 flights? That becomes a lot of time lost to planes meandering an airport which translates into fuel lost as well. Being able to run less flights at a greater cost isn't a recipe for a successful airport...
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:12 pm to member12
Business as usual in Chocolate City
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:13 pm to member12
We have to build it to see what's in it ! Mitch
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:44 pm to Scruffy
Let's try something new, and talk about facts.
1) The original design and contract, which is what everyone talks about, was for a 2 concourse, 30 gate terminal, with a 3rd concourse, with up to 12 gates, as an "expansion pack" and for now would have very basic clearing and ground prep. Shortly after the contract was signed and before major construction began, the airport board decided to add the third concourse, and 5 of the 12 gates, now. That added significant amounts of cost and time to the project.
2) Not long after that, they also decided to reconfigure some gates to allow for larger planes. More design time and costs, and more construction time.
3) It's become increasingly obvious that the project was underbid and underdesigned, both in financial and time costs. This of course is a time honored tradition when it comes to government construction contracts in LA... you intentionally undersell the cost, to get people to agree to it, then you soak the project with change orders, all of which are "required" and thus can't be turned down. The city, Mitch, the aircraft board, contractors and architects all deserve a ton of shite for this.
4) Everything to do with interstate access is a state issue. Perhaps if ya boy Bobby Jindal was actually serving as governor in his second term, instead of running for president, he could have handled this. I guess that was asking for too much.
5) I think the airport board has done a terrible job about addressing basic concerns from the traveling public, such as how these shuttles are going to work. There is really no excuse for this.
1) The original design and contract, which is what everyone talks about, was for a 2 concourse, 30 gate terminal, with a 3rd concourse, with up to 12 gates, as an "expansion pack" and for now would have very basic clearing and ground prep. Shortly after the contract was signed and before major construction began, the airport board decided to add the third concourse, and 5 of the 12 gates, now. That added significant amounts of cost and time to the project.
2) Not long after that, they also decided to reconfigure some gates to allow for larger planes. More design time and costs, and more construction time.
3) It's become increasingly obvious that the project was underbid and underdesigned, both in financial and time costs. This of course is a time honored tradition when it comes to government construction contracts in LA... you intentionally undersell the cost, to get people to agree to it, then you soak the project with change orders, all of which are "required" and thus can't be turned down. The city, Mitch, the aircraft board, contractors and architects all deserve a ton of shite for this.
4) Everything to do with interstate access is a state issue. Perhaps if ya boy Bobby Jindal was actually serving as governor in his second term, instead of running for president, he could have handled this. I guess that was asking for too much.
5) I think the airport board has done a terrible job about addressing basic concerns from the traveling public, such as how these shuttles are going to work. There is really no excuse for this.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Perhaps if ya boy Bobby Jindal was actually serving as governor in his second term, instead of running for president, he could have handled this. I guess that was asking for too much.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:47 pm to member12
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This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:48 pm to member12
Shitshow. Pathetic.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:50 pm to LSUFanHouston
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4) Everything to do with interstate access is an issue of choosing to locate this terminal such that all current perfectly adequate interstate and surface road infrastructure for the airport is now completely useless and obsolete, now requiring $100+ million of additional (basically redundant) roadway construction to have the public even be able to get to it.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Don't ruin LSUFanHouston's fact-party. Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:56 pm to Mr Perfect
quote:What did I write that is propaganda?
stop with the propaganda
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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4) Everything to do with interstate access is a state issue. Perhaps if ya boy Bobby Jindal was actually serving as governor in his second term, instead of running for president, he could have handled this. I guess that was asking for too much.
Perhaps those planning the project would have gotten Jindal on board before they started, or paid for the interchange themselves.
But when you see just how poor of a job the airport planners did, I can see how they failed to get their ducks in a row.
Edwards is paying for the interchange with GARVEE bonds. He’s using tomorrow’s federal highway funds to pay with today’s projects. This means after this the ability to do other projects with be handicapped.
Do we have bigger highway needs in this state than this interchange? I think we do.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:07 pm to doubleb
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Edwards is paying for the interchange with GARVEE bonds. He’s using tomorrow’s federal highway funds to pay with today’s projects. This means after this the ability to do other projects with be handicapped.
Do we have bigger highway needs in this state than this interchange? I think we do.
Wow
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:09 pm to doubleb
Things seem to actually happen in the State when thet are planned this way.
Other than that we just study and research it to death and nothing happens.
So, if my two options are do nothing and waste money on studies, or drag all the different groups that need to work together; I guess I will take the second option. At least shite will get done eventually. The state already found a way to shave years off the flyover build.
Other than that we just study and research it to death and nothing happens.
So, if my two options are do nothing and waste money on studies, or drag all the different groups that need to work together; I guess I will take the second option. At least shite will get done eventually. The state already found a way to shave years off the flyover build.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:10 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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4) Everything to do with interstate access is an issue of choosing to locate this terminal such that all current perfectly adequate interstate and surface road infrastructure for the airport is now completely useless and obsolete, now requiring $100+ million of additional (basically redundant) roadway construction to have the public even be able to get to it.
State pisses away more wasted money than that every month.
They could have made it a toll exit for all I care.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:14 pm to doubleb
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Perhaps those planning the project would have gotten Jindal on board before they started, or paid for the interchange themselves
How? By flying to Iowa to talk to him?
He knew damn well what was happening and chose to not do anything about it. Just like everything else in his second term.
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Edwards is paying for the interchange with GARVEE bonds. He’s using tomorrow’s federal highway funds to pay with today’s projects. This means after this the ability to do other projects with be handicapped.
That's how bonds work... you pay for them with future cash flows. Do you think we shouldn't use bonds to pay for highway projects?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:16 pm to LSUFanHouston
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That's how bonds work..
bond is debt, municipality sells bonds for projects like that
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you pay for them with future cash flows.
municipality pays off the bonds, plus interest, in the future
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:16 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Do you think we shouldn't use bonds to pay for highway projects?
It's a bit irksome to me if it's for needlessly redundant ones that are the result of pisspoor planning and conceptualization. But I've lived in this state all my life and in new orleans for a long time, so it's not like I'm not well used to such things.
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