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re: New MSY Terminal design: taxi times to increase by 40% for inbound jets, 70% for outbound

Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:12 am to
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11487 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:12 am to
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He's only an "airport critic" because it involves Landrieu.


Yeah, he cannot be a critic because it is an actual fiasco.
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8802 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:12 am to
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No high speed exit to the north terminal where taxiway Foxtrot currently is for the old one. Aircraft that need to push back from the southern tips off the new terminal will come close to blocking the exit.

I can see aircraft exiting 11 on the south side to foxtrot and having to double back and re-cross the runway at some point if the following aircraft is close behind. More runway crossings is also a safety issue.


Fair enough. Foxtrot is ~7,000' from the threshold, which should be more than fine for most aircraft landing 11 to slow to make a left hand exit. Keep in mind, MSY is predominantly 737s and A320 family aircraft. If they do need the full length, then they can take it, but I don't recall seeing many planes require the full length today.

The push will not affect the runway exit/taxi way, you'll have dual taxi lanes so that you can push either east or west without affecting taxi lanes.

The bigger issue will be anything taking the full length of 29, would have to turn left onto Echo and cross at Charlie. Again, the only planes that may potentially need that are the wide body flights that operate a total of 8 times a week. Even then, 10,000' is more than enough runway to land and slow to turn off onto Alpha.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41200 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:12 am to
Never underestimate the level of incompetence in gov't. Ever.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:12 am to
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- Doubled cost - Already faulty construction that has to be replaced - Complete lack of planning that pushes the opening date back years - Poor planning which makes the airport slower and access harder


a perfect description of when the Superdome was being built
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9742 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:13 am to
Not saying they haven’t had hiccups with the process but google new Berlin airport and read about that shite show. The terminals been built since like 2014 and they still don’t know when they’re gonna open it. Ze germans are making Nola/LA look competent.
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8802 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:14 am to
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Wake turb sep isn't 5 minutes, that would be incredibly inefficient.


For a heavy or super 3-5 is the standard (I was referring to the A380 or 777). Obviously, a 737 is not going to have nearly that much space in-trail, but if a 737 needs the full 10,000', something went wrong.

Again, its not like these runways are pumping 70-80 operations an hour. It is closer to 30 at the peak.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11487 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:15 am to
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Not saying they haven’t had hiccups with the process but google new Berlin airport and read about that shite show. The terminals been built since like 2014 and they still don’t know when they’re gonna open it. Ze germans are making Nola/LA look competent.



I think we should hold our laughter at Germans until we actually get this thing open.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
22045 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:15 am to
so, is there a person or group that we should all point at and laugh at? Who are the people responsible for this? should they be identified?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58251 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:15 am to
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Yeah, he cannot be a critic because it is an actual fiasco.


Anyone can be a critic. This guy is just an idiot.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72170 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:16 am to
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a perfect description of when the Superdome was being built
Like Scruffy said, a perfect embodiment of LA.

Louisiana isn’t last because of its government or politicians. Those are just symptoms of the true issue, the residents.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34205 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:17 am to
New airports are always a cluster frick. They'll get it figured out. Will just take some time. Anything's better than that mausoleum on Airline Hwy.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72170 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:18 am to
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is there a person or group that we should all point at and laugh at?
The LA citizens.
quote:

Who are the people responsible for this?
LA citizens
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:21 am to
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a 737 is not going to have nearly that much space in-trail, but if a 737 needs the full 10,000', something went wrong.


yep, a landing aircraft usually doesn't need a whole lot of concrete to land, the newer 737s typically have pretty high ref speeds to avoid tail strikes, don't think they can stretch that thing out any more
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:22 am to
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This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 9:00 am
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:22 am to
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Louisiana isn’t last because of its government or politicians. Those are just symptoms of the true issue, the residents.


sadly, I wholeheartedly agree with this statement
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99121 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:25 am to
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Based on these taxi times from the article, the percentages make it sound far worse than it actually is.


Inbound taxi times (from runway to terminal) are longer than anything I have ever experienced in Atlanta.

Outbound are about equal to what I commonly experience in ATL.

NO ain't ATL

This is a clusterfrick of epic proportions

Posted by DevilDogTiger
RTWFY!
Member since Nov 2007
6365 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:25 am to
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For a heavy or super 3-5 is the standard

We use NMiles for aircraft in the air. The 2 and 3 minute rules are for departing a/c
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8802 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:29 am to
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Inbound taxi times (from runway to terminal) are longer than anything I have ever experienced in Atlanta.

Outbound are about equal to what I commonly experience in ATL.

NO ain't ATL

This is a clusterfrick of epic proportions


Really? Have you landed on 10/28 in ATL and taxied up to the terminals? That is a 10-12 minutes, minimum. I've never had issues like that at MSY (save when a gate was occupied).
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:30 am to
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The next thing to happen is MSY will be like most of the airports in Russia where the plane parks away from the terminal, a group of workers roll a staircase up to the plane, everybody gets off using the stairs and then walk a quarter of a mile to the terminal building.


I've done this in Denver in 0 degree weather. Sucked.

That said, I have never felt like the taxi times are that long at MSY.
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8802 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:31 am to
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We use NMiles for aircraft in the air. The 2 and 3 minute rules are for departing a/c


Right, but in the context of time between when a plane lands to when the next one lands (or departs if the same runway), minutes are easier to visualize why it won't matter if a large jet needs the entire 10,000'
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