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New MSY Terminal design: taxi times to increase by 40% for inbound jets, 70% for outbound
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:38 am
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:38 am
Not only did they not design a way to get passengers to and from the new terminal from I-10.....but they also don't have a clear way to get passengers to and from the new terminal and the runways.
Link to article
This is a mess.
Link to article
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The project, originally scheduled to open in May 2018, is now some 18 months behind schedule and its original price tag of $650 million has ballooned to more than $1.2 billion.
Faulty construction due to cost-saving short cuts—reportedly forewarned by a building permits official in Kenner—resulted in more than 100 cracks to the facility’s underground sewerage pipes, which had to be dug up and repaired.
The interstate flyover ramp off Interstate 10 at Loyola Drive that will connect to the new facility was not planned, funded or put out to bid until after the new terminal had already been approved and was well on its way to being developed. As a result, the key artery will not be completed until at least 2023, according to state transportation secretary Shawn Wilson.
And support services for the airport—hotels, offsite parking lots, the rental car garage, and the existing passenger parking garage, which will be utilized and marketed as a cheaper, economy garage—are on the south side of the airfield’s main east-west runway and, therefore, cannot be directly accessed from the new terminal.
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......modeling estimates buried deep in the airport’s more than 200-page environmental assessment from 2013 estimated relocating the terminal to the north side of the airfield would increase taxi times for outbound planes by 40% on average, and would lengthen by more than 70% the amount of time inbound planes spend taxiing to their gates.
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“There are going to be delays because they are going to have to reroute planes,” says an air traffic controller familiar with the New Orleans airport, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity. “I’m not worried about safety issues. But is it a well-designed airport? No, and that is going to be rapidly evident.”
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What’s more, a key taxiway extension that the airport acknowledges in its own bid specifications has to be extended “to accommodate traffic on the north side of the airfield” won’t be ready for at least one year. How that and other factors might complicate things, if at all, isn’t clear and airport officials don’t offer much help.
“This strictly makes no sense. The job of an airport is to be functional and this airport is not functional. It’s all about aesthetics.”
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For one, the main taxiway, G, which most planes will use to get between the terminal and both runways, needs to be extended some 1,500 feet. Airport officials acknowledge the FAA flagged the extension project several years ago as something the airport had to undertake and is helping pay for the project. But the design and construction contract wasn’t awarded until mid-August and airport officials say it will be at least late 2020 before it’s completed.
“Every time you add a piece of pavement to the airfield it is going to help in some way,” Dolliole says. “You’re not necessarily correcting a flaw. You’re adding to the efficiency of the airfield.”
Still, there will be some larger jets that will not be able to take off from the east-west runway until the new taxiway is complete—unless those aircraft cross the active runway to come at it from the longer taxiway on the south side.
This is a mess.
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Then, there’s the fact that there’s no exit ramp off the east-west runway connecting to the new terminal. Like the exit ramp off an interstate, a runway exit ramp enables a plane, as it slows, to quickly and efficiently clear the runway without having to come to a near complete stop and make a sharp right turn.
Because of the proximity of the new terminal and its B and C concourses to the runway, however, there isn’t enough space to build an exit ramp where it would optimally go. As a practical matter, this means planes will spend more time on the runway when they’re landing from the west, which means they won’t be able to land quite as frequently.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:40 am to member12
Everyone is Ubering now anyway. Won't be a big deal in the future.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:41 am to member12
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This is a mess.
meh, it'll all work out once transition to the new terminal and runway/taxi way construction is complete, as it has been forever, there is almost no taxi time for inbound aircraft, and really not much for departures either, so a 40% increase from almost nothing isn't that big of a deal
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:41 am to member12
Big surprise, building a new airport creates as many problems as it fixes
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:42 am to member12
NOLA doing NOLA things.
You build the airport, but you have no way to get to it
You build the airport, but you have no way to get to it
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:44 am to 777Tiger
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meh, it'll all work out once transition to the new terminal and runway/taxi way construction is complete, as it has been forever, there is almost no taxi time for inbound aircraft, and really not much for departures either, so a 40% increase from almost nothing isn't that big of a deal
I agree
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 9:47 am
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:44 am to member12
Based on these taxi times from the article, the percentages make it sound far worse than it actually is.
Biggest concern for the new airport is going to be the access road far more than taxi times.
That article really reads like a hack job - or an attempt to make Baton Rouge's airport look good in comparison.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 9:47 am
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:46 am to member12
Hopefully this entices southwest to finally come to BR
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:46 am to member12
:slow clap:
I swear they took a look at the legendary clusterfrick of the Denver airport and said “Hold my Hand Grenade.”
I swear they took a look at the legendary clusterfrick of the Denver airport and said “Hold my Hand Grenade.”
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:49 am to member12
Thanks Mayor Landrieu!!!!
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:50 am to member12
BR Business Report needs to worry more about how they feel about St. George and less about the MSY airport.
Sure... this airport construction and planning could have been much, much better. Which is why taxi times - which are almost nil now and will be almost nil later on, is a weird thing to gripe about.
The ATC guys know what they are doing... they will get it figured out.
Also... there may well be efficiencies gained in the boarding / deboarding process that offset or more than make up for this taxi time difference.
Sure... this airport construction and planning could have been much, much better. Which is why taxi times - which are almost nil now and will be almost nil later on, is a weird thing to gripe about.
The ATC guys know what they are doing... they will get it figured out.
Also... there may well be efficiencies gained in the boarding / deboarding process that offset or more than make up for this taxi time difference.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:51 am to member12
RIP tight connections in Atlanta.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:51 am to member12
can we put names on the exact people responsible for this?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:53 am to The Boat
Hey but at least it has a shake shack
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:53 am to Chicken
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can we put names on the exact people responsible for this?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:54 am to Chicken
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can we put names on the exact people responsible for this?
Hillary.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:54 am to member12
Alright, all of the issues surrounding the airport (and there are plenty) aside. This kinda reeks of a hit piece written by the Baton Rouge Business Report.
First
They aren't "buried", an environmental assessment is a very structured report mandadted by the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA) which dictates exactly where each analysis falls in the document. I have written sections in an EA before. It is a cookie cutter structure that the FAA dictates.
The also quote Frank Stewart, whoever that is.. cited by the article as "New Orleans businessman and airport critic"
This is written as though you need to cross the Mississippi River to get between to the threshold. Plenty of airport have crossing instructions to get to/from the runway and terminal. If you have ever landed on the south side of ATL, currently the second busiest airport in the world, you have to cross two active runways. Hasn't been a problem for the controllers there.
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.....modeling estimates buried deep in the airport’s more than 200-page environmental assessment from 2013 estimated relocating
They aren't "buried", an environmental assessment is a very structured report mandadted by the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA) which dictates exactly where each analysis falls in the document. I have written sections in an EA before. It is a cookie cutter structure that the FAA dictates.
The also quote Frank Stewart, whoever that is.. cited by the article as "New Orleans businessman and airport critic"
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Still, there will be some larger jets that will not be able to take off from the east-west runway until the new taxiway is complete—unless those aircraft cross the active runway to come at it from the longer taxiway on the south side.
This is written as though you need to cross the Mississippi River to get between to the threshold. Plenty of airport have crossing instructions to get to/from the runway and terminal. If you have ever landed on the south side of ATL, currently the second busiest airport in the world, you have to cross two active runways. Hasn't been a problem for the controllers there.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 10:04 am
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