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re: California bans suspending disruptive/defiant students

Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:05 pm to
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171080 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:05 pm to
It's not bad. Taking away something fun vs taking away a class they don't even like.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:11 pm to
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Suspensions don't really work though. There should be repercussions, but not in the form of suspension. All you're doing is taking a problem child and making them worse.


irrelevant. The point is to stop the disruption. Let the guardians solve the matter or not solve the matter. Getting the disruption out of the classroom helps the other students.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164349 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:16 pm to
What if they find a butter knife from breakfast in a kid’s car?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35120 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:24 pm to
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No kid gives a frick about missing their western civ class but take away the only time they have to socialize and it might deter bad behavior. I can tell you letting them sit at home and watch tv or post on social media isn’t much of a deterrent. And then they come back further behind and more disruptive.


Here’s the thing, toots. I don’t give a frick if sending them home is a deterrent. It gets the shite kids out of the school away from the kids who give a frick.

A shite kid will stay a shite kid by the time they’re in high school. Keep them away from the kids who care.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171080 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:26 pm to
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A shite kid will stay a shite kid by the time they’re in high school. Keep them away from the kids who care


Might as well just lock them up then according to that logic. Or just cull the herd.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:27 pm to
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A shite kid will stay a shite kid by the time they’re in high school.
This bill references k-8th grade.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35120 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:29 pm to
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Might as well just lock them up then according to that logic.


Nope. There should be a partition after 8th grade. Trouble kids go to a tech school and learn a trade from 9th grade on. Non trouble kids go to normal high school.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79954 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:32 pm to
Said it in the Poli Board thread on this: Lex Luthor’s idea of detonating a couple of nukes along the San Andreas fault line is looking more and more appealing every day.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171080 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:33 pm to
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Nope. There should be a partition after 8th grade. Trouble kids go to a tech school and learn a trade from 9th grade on. Non trouble kids go to normal high school.


This doesn't sound like a dystopian future or anything.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423480 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:34 pm to
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Sen. Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley, who wrote the new law, said it would “keep kids in school where they belong and where teachers and counselors can help them thrive.”

destroying the educations and potentials of so many kids in the process. brilliant
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
54007 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:35 pm to
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Nope. There should be a partition after 8th grade. Trouble kids go to a tech school and learn a trade from 9th grade on. Non trouble kids go to normal high school.


I've argued this for a long time, with some additions. Not just trouble kids, but kids who have no interest in going to college. They can go to a tech school during their high school years and be career ready at 17-18. Parents, you have a kid that you think will be college material at the end of high school, but hasn't shown it through 8th grade? Make academics competitive, like some other countries do. You don't make the academic cut, you go to tech school and learn a trade. It's not like tech school is a punishment, hell, most of them make more money than I do by a lot. If the trouble kid can't handle tech school, get them a manual labor job.
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
7839 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:38 pm to
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Trouble kids go to a tech school and learn a trade from 9th grade on.


So let's throw all of the trouble kids into one school and hope they make a productive workforce?
Posted by TheBorg
Member since Jul 2013
33 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:39 pm to
Louisiana ranks in the bottom 5 of almost any metric including education. Pretty sure we haven't earned the right to criticize what any other state wants to do with their systems and taxes.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18521 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:51 pm to
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Three days of lunch detention. Eat last, sit at a separate table.




Wow. Did they only give him white milk instead of chocolate, too?
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
54007 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:54 pm to
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Louisiana ranks in the bottom 5 of almost any metric including education. Pretty sure we haven't earned the right to criticize what any other state wants to do with their systems and taxes.


So, you think ending out of school suspensions is going to move us up the ranks?
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3151 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:11 pm to
Well clearly you are living in the right place! Maybe California should look to Louisiana for education ideas.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72193 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:13 pm to
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So, you think ending out of school suspensions is going to move us up the ranks?
Getting those kids out of the classrooms and focusing on the ones who want to learn will improve LA schools.
Posted by TheBorg
Member since Jul 2013
33 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:30 pm to
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So, you think ending out of school suspensions is going to move us up the ranks?


But we have ISS and Behavioral Intervention Programs. And this is Pre-K up to Middle School for the next five years. I think keeping students with behavioral issues in school with appropriate counseling and "therapy" (for lack of a better word) will help them achieve a higher graduation rate.

And if it doesn't work, frick 'em...it's California.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56505 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:44 pm to
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All that being said, us Californians would love to secede. Please call your representatives and request that our massive economy be booted from your country.
noted.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5350 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:48 pm to
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Getting those kids out of the classrooms and focusing on the ones who want to learn will improve LA schools.


I think we should reconsider the whole, "no child left behind" thing. The earlier kids learn what failure is, the better off we are.
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