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re: California bans suspending disruptive/defiant students
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:48 pm to TheBorg
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:48 pm to TheBorg
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But we have ISS and Behavioral Intervention Programs. And this is Pre-K up to Middle School for the next five years. I think keeping students with behavioral issues in school with appropriate counseling and "therapy" (for lack of a better word) will help them achieve a higher graduation rate.
I have mixed feelings Behavioral Intervention, Counseling, and your therapy. They sound good in theory, but I think that their success in practice is very limited, and increasing that in any way is going to create more educational spending on a very small segment of students. This would add to wasteful educational spending which is already out of control. It is already far too easy for a special education department to label a kid who has behavior problems with some phantom "disability", give them a BIP, which equates to a free pass to do whatever the student wants because they "can't help it". Almost 100% of the time, that is pure BS.
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:52 pm to LegendInMyMind
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This was late 90's-ish.
I call BS. Nobody used paddles in the late 90's, and if they were using them, you must have lived in some arse backwards place.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:54 pm to DeafJam73
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So, with all this said, a student has to be corrected TWELVE times before any real consequence is even remotely on the table. The faculty is so afraid of getting blasted in the media, that they usually just drop the case on the word from parents that their kids will do better. Of course, it’s an empty promise.
This is why my wife retired early. Can't discipline kids, parents won't discipline kids, classrooms are a nightmare for teachers today.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:02 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
I see a ton of kids sitting in detention or in the principal's office.
What a joke.
What a joke.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:03 pm to Joshjrn
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It bans suspensions, not punishment.
Yeah, it didn't need to ban punishment. That had been done years ago.
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I imagine that disruptive students will still be at risk of in school detention, etc.
And how many teachers do you need in the Sweathogs detention class? One for each grade? And how many police officers, for when they decide to kill each other, or maybe just beat the shite out of the school detention teacher? And who is going to take that job?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:17 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
If they still have in-school suspension then I don't have an issue with it. They're still removed from the classroom, and personally, in-school suspension was a bigger deterrent to me than being sent home for a few days. In-school suspension sucked big time.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:20 pm to Packer
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So let's throw all of the trouble kids into one school and hope they make a productive workforce?
That's what alternative school is for.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:40 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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qwww.sacbee.com
Thought it was Babylon Bee for a second.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 4:40 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
California deserves whatever unpleasant shite happens to them.
They're complete idiots.
They should double up on the trouble makers. More harsh penalties should await them.
They're complete idiots.
They should double up on the trouble makers. More harsh penalties should await them.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 9/11/19 at 4:43 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
It always works out well when politicians decide to play educator.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:03 pm to FlyinTiger93
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More kids with zero consequences for their actions. Let's see how this experiment ends.
They’ll be shitting in the streets in a few years, a California tradition in the making.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:26 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Louisiana has been doing this, essentially. Kids are placed in alternative schools for 45 days then return.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:30 pm to LSUtoBOOT
EBR has been practicing this policy undercover for at least 15 years now. If the student is ESS they basically can get away with almost anything, they have a "behavioral plan". No one has mentioned the SSI "crazy check". Some parents groom their children to act insane so that they can collect said check, this also pretty much makes them suspension proof. Many of my students in the past have told me that jobs are for losers and many planned not to work ever once they left high school. I work in engineering\construction now and my doctor says I will live much longer since I have no stress.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:31 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
They tried this at some Dallas area schools a couple years ago. Grades across the board dropped. The program was halted after the first semester.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:35 pm to BowDownToLSU
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Put a fence around California
Let me get the F out first.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:35 pm to northshorebamaman
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If they still have in-school suspension then I don't have an issue with it. They're still removed from the classroom, and personally, in-school suspension was a bigger deterrent to me than being sent home for a few days. In-school suspension sucked big time.
We used to have STOP where kids were sent to an alternative site to serve their suspension. It was ridiculous that we got rid of it. Just sending them home does nothing but give them what they want.
I saw a model recently (can’t remember the state) where instead of sending the kid home the parent had to come to school with the student if they didn’t want the suspension on their permanent record (or something like that). And apparently it’s nipped some of that shite in the bud.
Teachers also need to start growing a sack and filing charges against these little assholes that do things like assault teachers. And when the district doesn’t respond, file suit that the school system is not providing a safe working environment as promised in their contracts.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 6:45 pm to SantaFe
quote:True.
No one has mentioned the SSI "crazy check". Some parents groom their children to act insane so that they can collect said check, this also pretty much makes them suspension proof
Posted on 9/11/19 at 7:01 pm to slackster
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should be used as a last resort
So why are they banning them?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:24 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
I mean honestly, as a teacher, I’m okay with it. As long as there’s an in school suspension option for them I think it’s good. A lot of these kids are better off in school than on the streets where they’ll do lord knows what.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 2:08 am to Pedro
Former public educator + coach here.
There are a couple of direct fixes that can/should he implemented:
1. If your child is guilty of a suspendable offense: 1 parent must, BY LAW, accompany their child in every class for the equivalent number of days that they are suspended. Employers must legally allow for the time off, but have the option to NOT pay the parent for work/time missed, & schools must provide the paperwork proof.
WATCH how quickly behavior improves.
2. If you are a family on government assistance & your child attends public or charter school in which they earn an expulsion:
You household welfare assistance for that child is suspended (in proportion to entire household) for the length of the expulsion.
WATCH how quickly behavior improves.
OR
2B. Public or charter school students who are expelled shall, BY LAW, be enrolled in local miltary bases where they will live a military lifestyle (zero access to weapons of any kind) & execute the grounds maintenance, laundry, basic meal prep/cooking, & all janitorial duties of the base for the duration of their expulsion term. With military officers providing direct supervision at all times.
WATCH how quickly behavior improves.
Don't @ me with "that will never happen", "no one would agree to that", etc. We are so far beyond needing actual consequences for poor public + charter school behavior that we 100000% need these types of consequences.
It is essentially bringing back public hangings in the town square. When people can SEE exactly what the consequences of their actions are, they behave accordingly.
There are a couple of direct fixes that can/should he implemented:
1. If your child is guilty of a suspendable offense: 1 parent must, BY LAW, accompany their child in every class for the equivalent number of days that they are suspended. Employers must legally allow for the time off, but have the option to NOT pay the parent for work/time missed, & schools must provide the paperwork proof.
WATCH how quickly behavior improves.
2. If you are a family on government assistance & your child attends public or charter school in which they earn an expulsion:
You household welfare assistance for that child is suspended (in proportion to entire household) for the length of the expulsion.
WATCH how quickly behavior improves.
OR
2B. Public or charter school students who are expelled shall, BY LAW, be enrolled in local miltary bases where they will live a military lifestyle (zero access to weapons of any kind) & execute the grounds maintenance, laundry, basic meal prep/cooking, & all janitorial duties of the base for the duration of their expulsion term. With military officers providing direct supervision at all times.
WATCH how quickly behavior improves.
Don't @ me with "that will never happen", "no one would agree to that", etc. We are so far beyond needing actual consequences for poor public + charter school behavior that we 100000% need these types of consequences.
It is essentially bringing back public hangings in the town square. When people can SEE exactly what the consequences of their actions are, they behave accordingly.
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