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re: Bloomberg - Star Wars Is Struggling to Win Over the Next Generation of Kids
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:11 pm to Dam Guide
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:11 pm to Dam Guide
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The true test will be Disney World and I think it will do amazing there. Not because it is Star Wars, but because of the loyal following of Keeping up with the Jones’s those parks attract. People go nuts about WDW and they will spend the money to make sure their friends on Facebook see they went to Galaxy’s Edge.
Disney's park attendance has dropped at WDW despite new lands such as Pandora and Toy Story. Disney has been asleep at the wheel for too long and has neglected so many of their WDW parks. A few ~12 acre expansions to some of them isn't enough to move the needle. Walk through Toy Story land and you'll realize how small and cheap it feels. Galaxy's Edge at Hollywood Studios could have been massive and amazing - instead, Disney went cheap and replicated every element of Galaxy's Edge from Disneyland to put in Hollywood Studios so that it's the exact same experience. The simple fact is that most of Disney's parks are old, neglected, and fail to deliver big ticket attractions that bring and keep people in the parks.
Meanwhile, Universal's park growth has been extraordinary over the past 8 years. Universal is constantly updating their parks and is delivering on constructing big E-ticket attractions that lure people in.
And now, they've announced an entirely new park (Epic Universe), which will almost double their footprint in Orlando to continue to eat into Disney's park revenue. The land they're currently developing for this park is over 500 acres, and the park itself will feature lands such as Super Mario World, Classic Monsters, How to Train Your Dragon, and Fantastic Beasts. Meanwhile, Epcot still has buildings everywhere that were built in the 80s...and haven't been touched since.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:14 pm to Cs
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Star Wars Is Struggling to Win Over the Next Generation of Kids
Kids be like...
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:15 pm to Cs
Whats shocking to me, and what I never thought would happen, I actually prefer the prequels to episode 8. I feel like episode pissed all over one of the most iconic heroes of our time in Luke Skywalker. That alone was enough to hate that movie.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:19 pm to abellsujr
I prefer the prequels to both TFA and TLJ.
The prequels "feel" like Star Wars and the world building is fantastic.
The prequels "feel" like Star Wars and the world building is fantastic.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:25 pm to DrSteveBrule
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Kids do pick up on things like that.
I believe this. Whether they can define it or not, kids can tell bullshite when they see it. They know bad messages. Looking back, I know why certain cartoons were a massive hit for me, and why others not. Even I couldn't articulate it then, I KNEW bad humanity, bad philosophy when I saw it.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:02 pm to Freauxzen
TFA has some small issues but was in large part a great set up for the new trilogy. The Last Jedi is what shite all over it and then they double down with that hot garbage in Solo. There isn’t a single memorable scene in Solo. None. Saving Chewie, meeting Lando, doing the Kessel Run, literally the only thing anyone remembers about it is the appearance of a character that hadn’t been seen in live action in nearly 20 years and now that’s an nothing burger.
How the hell a company who has a guy who weaved together 22 movies into a $20 billion plus box office take with nearly universal acclaim can pick such a terrible person to orchestrate their largest IP acquisition in company history - hell in the history of film - is beyond me. And why? Lucas didn’t make it a requirement of the deal. Kathleen Kennedy wasn’t churning out hits for the HoM. Why did they even bring in Rian Johnson? I get that JJ didn’t want to write and direct all 3 episodes, but you have a stable of great writers/directors already in your family in Brad Bird, Rich Moore, Pete Docter, Kenneth Branagh, and Andrew Stanton to pick from, just to name a few.
I get that you wanted to start fresh with the Expanded Universe since there was a lot of contradicting stuff out there. But you could have used the best stories for inspiration and again, a big shepherd for the narrative is what you need. Kevin Feige was made the HNIC from day one with Marvel Studios. If he told you to put something in your movie, you did. If he told you to take something out, you took it out. Plain and simple. He had his plans and while I’m sure he shuffled them around given what tools he had available to him (characters, budgets), he had an overreaching vision, conveyed that to his filmmakers and let them have artistic freedoms when and where he could. You’re in your sandbox, but it’s on my playground and you follow my rules. Kathleen Kennedy was not the one for Star Wars. And everything after TFA shows that, even though I thought Rogue One was a solid entry into the Star Wars film franchise.
How the hell a company who has a guy who weaved together 22 movies into a $20 billion plus box office take with nearly universal acclaim can pick such a terrible person to orchestrate their largest IP acquisition in company history - hell in the history of film - is beyond me. And why? Lucas didn’t make it a requirement of the deal. Kathleen Kennedy wasn’t churning out hits for the HoM. Why did they even bring in Rian Johnson? I get that JJ didn’t want to write and direct all 3 episodes, but you have a stable of great writers/directors already in your family in Brad Bird, Rich Moore, Pete Docter, Kenneth Branagh, and Andrew Stanton to pick from, just to name a few.
I get that you wanted to start fresh with the Expanded Universe since there was a lot of contradicting stuff out there. But you could have used the best stories for inspiration and again, a big shepherd for the narrative is what you need. Kevin Feige was made the HNIC from day one with Marvel Studios. If he told you to put something in your movie, you did. If he told you to take something out, you took it out. Plain and simple. He had his plans and while I’m sure he shuffled them around given what tools he had available to him (characters, budgets), he had an overreaching vision, conveyed that to his filmmakers and let them have artistic freedoms when and where he could. You’re in your sandbox, but it’s on my playground and you follow my rules. Kathleen Kennedy was not the one for Star Wars. And everything after TFA shows that, even though I thought Rogue One was a solid entry into the Star Wars film franchise.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:14 pm to Dam Guide
Disneyland raised prices and blocked out annual passes in anticipation for galaxies edge.
The world version will be packed. They released the reservation system today and the cantina, lightsaber and droid thing are booked till January. The land opens in three weeks.
The world version will be packed. They released the reservation system today and the cantina, lightsaber and droid thing are booked till January. The land opens in three weeks.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:25 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I've heard Galaxy's Edge is struggling
It isn’t struggling. They opened up 180 day reservations at WDW for the droid building store, the light saber store, and the cantina and the Disney World site has been overrun all day. It took me 45 minutes to book Oga’s Cantina for a December trip and I was online less than 10 minutes after they opened up reservations
This post was edited on 8/10/19 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:31 pm to Cs
They thought they could just switch Luke, Leia, and Han with Poe, Rey, and Finn and have the exact same fan response from the 70s.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:32 pm to Cs
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Iger has attributed disappointing box-office figures to “Star Wars fatigue,” and he’s pledged to slow down the tempo of releases. But that doesn’t square with the success of Marvel, which reliably churns out a blockbuster every four to six months.
You don’t say?
A hardcore comic nerd rightfully runs the MCU and this is who is in charge of Star Wars
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:44 pm to Parmen
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Announce the fricking Obi Wan spin-off with Ewan McGregor already
At this point, no thanks. They'll just screw the character up.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:46 pm to Cs
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Iger has attributed disappointing box-office figures to “Star Wars fatigue,”
No bob, the last few movies just sucked arse
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:09 pm to Cs
Sounds like the next generation are a bunch of gamer gate incels amirite?
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:11 pm to Cs
I feel Like Star Wars is making the mistake DCU is making.
Too heavy too dark
Not just this is a good guy this is the bad guy and here are some good laughed.
Which the original trilogy had
Too heavy too dark
Not just this is a good guy this is the bad guy and here are some good laughed.
Which the original trilogy had
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:22 pm to saintsfan22
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Kids don't interpret it as political the way adults have.
Just let them believe their childhoods were ruined because their versions of the story didn't happen.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:30 pm to SammyTiger
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Too heavy too dark
huh? TLJ was a laugh fest. Finn was a comedic character and then
-blue milk
-throwing lightsaber
-rock takes out creature wagon on island
-chewbacca eating porgs
-Finn walking around with tubes leaking water everywhere
And thats just some of the things.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:34 pm to Argonaut
My three young children enjoyed episode 7 and liked Rey. My then 4 year old loved pretending to have force powers etc.
After the last movie I told all of them a new Star Wars was coming out in December and not one of them gives a shite.
FYI they love the marvel movies and all the Pixar stuff so Disney is still getting my money that way. Just sucks they have screwed the pooch with Star Wars in what could have been easily appealing to younger children today.
Edit: so I agree with everyone, if they start making movies that don’t suck younger generations will like it. This isn’t rocket surgery here, it’s a damn movie.
After the last movie I told all of them a new Star Wars was coming out in December and not one of them gives a shite.
FYI they love the marvel movies and all the Pixar stuff so Disney is still getting my money that way. Just sucks they have screwed the pooch with Star Wars in what could have been easily appealing to younger children today.
Edit: so I agree with everyone, if they start making movies that don’t suck younger generations will like it. This isn’t rocket surgery here, it’s a damn movie.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:42 pm to Cs
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Disney has been asleep at the wheel for too long and has neglected so many of their WDW parks. A few ~12 acre expansions to some of them isn't enough to move the needle. Walk through Toy Story land and you'll realize how small and cheap it feels. Galaxy's Edge at Hollywood Studios could have been massive and amazing - instead, Disney went cheap and replicated every element of Galaxy's Edge from Disneyland to put in Hollywood Studios so that it's the exact same experience. The simple fact is that most of Disney's parks are old, neglected, and fail to deliver big ticket attractions that bring and keep people in the parks.
Meanwhile, Universal's park growth has been extraordinary over the past 8 years. Universal is constantly updating their parks and is delivering on constructing big E-ticket attractions that lure people in.
And now, they've announced an entirely new park (Epic Universe), which will almost double their footprint in Orlando to continue to eat into Disney's park revenue. The land they're currently developing for this park is over 500 acres, and the park itself will feature lands such as Super Mario World, Classic Monsters, How to Train Your Dragon, and Fantastic Beasts. Meanwhile, Epcot still has buildings everywhere that were built in the 80s...and haven't been touched since.
That attendance drop is from April to June. My wife’s company spearheaded a strategic marketing seminar for Disney Parks and they showed some stats that Disney always sees a decrease in attendance a few months before a major new land opening. It happened with Fantasyland and Pandora most recently. The reason is the Disney nuts all want to see the new shite so they book trips after the opening date. Galaxy’s Edge is no different. The parks will be at capacity from September all the way to next summer.
As for Universal, they’ll always be playing catch up because the masses really don’t give a frick about How To Train Your Dragon or Fantastic Beasts. Disney has plans for a 5th Park and if the rumors are true that it will be more geared towards thrill rides and be Marvel universe based then the gap will get wider.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 2:47 am to abellsujr
Exactly. Fury Road is very political but it has a little nuance and doesn’t beat you over the head with it. There have been plenty of politics in film before but there was better writing, better movies to mask it
Now there’s very little good writing in Hollywood
Now there’s very little good writing in Hollywood
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