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Posted on 7/27/19 at 9:55 pm to
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 7/27/19 at 9:55 pm to
You’re probably a bad person.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 7/27/19 at 10:14 pm to
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You’re probably a bad person.


I am but that doesn't change the fact that she wasn't raped. Not even close. Coerced? Yes. Raped? No.

She wasn't assaulted or in any way forced to do jackshit. In fact, she could've vaporized the guy if she wanted to.

She was given a choice. Blow me or leave the club. She blew him.
This post was edited on 7/27/19 at 10:15 pm
Posted by Othello
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 7/27/19 at 11:50 pm to
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The girl from True Detective who played Woody's daughter is fine as frick! Will check this out later tonight.


Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:45 am to
There were parts of the ending I saw coming, but definitely not the last scene.

Spoiler***

As of now, does Homelander even have a beef with Butcher?
I mean, he's insane, he's cruel and sadistic, etc... but he seems in a weird way to actually be 'attempting' to be the hero.

I mean, when he discovered that Butcher was coming after him, he didn't just go snuff Billy, he did the investigating and figured out why. And what he discovered was that both Butcher and he were played. And he respected that Butcher seemingly had a legitimate gripe... so he went out of his way to "save" him. Both literally, and by showing him what he did afterwards.

Same thing with creating the super-terrorists... a necessary action to guarantee the superheroes' increased involvement in military acts. And you gotta admit, his takedown of the terrorist base in Syria was pretty sweet. It's all just a game to him, one he loves playing, but at the same time the Supes can definitely make a difference. You get them integrated in international policies, and then you don't have to manufacture things to keep them popular.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:48 am to
He said he would ruin her name so she could never be a superhero of any kind. With as revered as this superheroes are, he wouldn’t have just ruined her superhero career, he would’ve made her a social and her and her mother outcasts.

Maybe it isn’t rape but it’s least a sexual assault.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:25 am to
***spoilers**

I wish it were a weekly show, and I didn't just watch the whole thing in two days. I want more.
I didn't see That ending coming.
Homelander may be the best supervillian I've ever seen.

Dark yet cheery.


The superhuman were created. Voight has to have something on each one.

The seven is just three, or two Queen Maeve will turn against Homelander.

This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 2:29 am
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:27 am to
I bet Weinstein and Epstein agree with you. Few others would.
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 7/28/19 at 6:24 am to
***** LATE SEASON SPOILERS******
quote:

As of now, does Homelander even have a beef with Butcher?
I mean, he's insane, he's cruel and sadistic, etc... but he seems in a weird way to actually be 'attempting' to be the hero.

I mean, when he discovered that Butcher was coming after him, he didn't just go snuff Billy, he did the investigating and figured out why. And what he discovered was that both Butcher and he were played. And he respected that Butcher seemingly had a legitimate gripe... so he went out of his way to "save" him. Both literally, and by showing him what he did afterwards.


He's doing it to torture Butcher. Thus the "she came three times", "you're my son", and "we're a family" comments in the last two scenes. He's just dangling what Butcher wants in front of him, not helping him in any way.

******//SPOILERS****
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 7/28/19 at 8:50 am to
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I bet Weinstein and Epstein agree with you. Few others would.


Look i get it. The definition of rape is changing. Workplace coercion, which is immoral and illegal has now become rape. As each year passes, it seems the definition becomes broader and broader.

Some people seem ok now with defining rape (as portrayed in this episode) as being forced into a career choice. A vile choice? Yes. A life or limb threatening choice toward the victim or another person? No.

When you can walk away from a potential sexual act with no physical harm or threat of harm coming to yourself or other people, you weren't raped. Blondie could've easily walked away. She nor anyone else was threatened with bodily harm if she didn't comply. In other words, she wasn't forced to blow this guy to protect herself or someone else from harm. She blew him to protect her own professional interests.

Although you and others might be comfortable with workplace coercion as an acceptable definition of rape. Soon the definition may broaden to a point you're not comfortable with.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 9:05 am
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
14695 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 9:33 am to
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He said he would ruin her name so she could never be a superhero of any kind. 


He did and then her moral flexibility and questionable integrity came shining through.

So I take a job with a law firm and then i'm given the choice by my employer of doing something highly unethical or having my reputation smeared and not practicing again in the state of Louisiana.

It's a vile choice and it's illegal. I shouldn't have to make it but i do nonetheless. Now if it's "do what we say or harm will come to you or someone you love", that's a different matter entirely.

She made a choice. She was coerced into that choice but she was far from forced into it. But if this is now the definition of rape. So be it i guess.

Before long, the definition of rape will broaden to where a drunken one night stand meets it. A sober walk of shame is damaging and traumatizing to a womans self esteem. Someone will have to be held accountable for the choices that led up to her anger for being taken advantage of and her feelings of self loathing and shame.

Anyway, blondie was employed by a large corporation. She should've gone to human resources. She chose however to give a blowjob.

This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 9:42 am
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
22579 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 9:58 am to
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Before long, the definition of rape will broaden to where a drunken one night stand meets it.

Already happens on college campuses sadly.

Still don’t think it’s the same as being hired by a big law firm. These superheroes are pretty much worshipped and more then willing to cross the line to get what they want. Going to HR wouldn’t have meant anything because it would have been her (a newbie) word against his (the no.2 guy and once again highly revered by the public).

And like I said, her and mother’s personal lives would’ve been ruined as well. He even brought in the how the children might feel if she being their role model was said to have attacked another hero.

Again I don’t think it’s rape, but it’s sexual assault at the least.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:32 am to
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Already happens on college campuses sadly. 

Still don’t think it’s the same as being hired by a big law firm. These superheroes are pretty much worshipped and more then willing to cross the line to get what they want. Going to HR wouldn’t have meant anything because it would have been her (a newbie) word against his (the no.2 guy and once again highly revered by the public). 

And like I said, her and mother’s personal lives would’ve been ruined as well. He even brought in the how the children might feel if she being their role model was said to have attacked another hero. 

Again I don’t think it’s rape, but it’s sexual assault at the least.






Ok.

In todays social climate though, which this show is set. Was the outcome of her having to give that blowjob grounded in reality?

I think a more reality based outcome would be her going to human resources, telling them what happened. And in order to avoid any and all bad press (because men are convicted of this nowadays in the court of public opinion) the offending male would be fired or professionally neutered.

The mere accusation of sexual impropriety in the workplace will hobble a man. All she would've had to do is get on her twitter feed or Facebook or do an oprah interview or whatever else and she could've gotten anything she wanted out of that corporation.

That's the world we actually live in, not the world as portrayed when she gave that blowjob. If that scene would've been grounded in reality, then she would've had all the power and been in complete control from the outset. That guy's life would've been ruined and rightly so. Now that's reality. How it was portrayed was fantasy.






This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 10:38 am
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
5967 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 11:13 am to
This show is fantastic. Had to force myself to stop watching last night. The A-Train scene and dolphin scene are VERY memorable. May be better than any of the Marvel shows.
Posted by P-Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
1877 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 11:21 am to
LOL. The dolphin and lobster scenes were both hilarious.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20556 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 11:54 am to
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LOL. The dolphin and lobster scenes were both hilarious.

Just guessing, The Deep is going to become an eco-terrorist. We're seeing that laid out pretty openly-

He's increasingly resentful of losing his lavish lifestyle and forced to go to Sandusky. We can call that a negative personality trait, the "evil white male privilege" if you will.
He's increasingly disgusted and horrified by mankind's treatment of the sea creatures. This looks funny onscreen, but quite frankly: he describes them as having regional dialects and good sense of humor. It WOULD be horrifying to have coherent conversations with something, only to watch them casually killed without a second thought.
He's already unstable, as evidenced by his going to therapy even as a member of the Seven.

He's got personal grudges against both Starlight and Homelander, so that puts him entirely out of the loop. He has neither spectrum to ally with.

Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20556 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:02 pm to
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This show is fantastic. Had to force myself to stop watching last night. The A-Train scene and dolphin scene are VERY memorable. May be better than any of the Marvel shows.

Marvel gives you the hero as good-guy mainstream tale, so that remains viable.

This blows the DCU 'dark and gritty' angle out of the water. Homelander is the Superman Lex Luthor feared. The effects as shown are good enough to compare, and the story is both more believable and way more entertaining.
DC is still safe with fun Aquaman and Wonder Woman style movies, but they've been trumped by this for the other angle.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:07 pm to
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I think a more reality based outcome would be her going to human resources, telling them what happened. 


So, in IRL, sexual assault is more likely to be reported than not...?

You haven't really thought this through.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
14695 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:20 pm to
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quote:
I think a more reality based outcome would be her going to human resources, telling them what happened. 



So, in IRL, sexual assault is more likely to be reported than not...? 

You haven't really thought this through.





Yeah i did think it through. The outcome of his coercion isn't grounded in reality. Had it been, she would've ruined him professionally and gotten filthy rich in the process. That's "IRL".

I work in a corporate setting and any employer (no matter the professional standing of the accused) will get rid of or cripple the accused before they so much as look sideways at the accuser.

That's reality. The outcome of that so called "rape scene" in the first episode is fantasy. "IRL" that ain't how it frickin' rolls. "IRL" the accuser has ALL the power.

When you spend a little more time "IRL" you'll find that out for yourself.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 12:24 pm
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
22579 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:32 pm to
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In todays social climate though, which this show is set. Was the outcome of her having to give that blowjob grounded in reality?

Except you don’t know it features the same climate ours does. In addition, there’s nothing like them in our world like that. Yeah there are celebrities and powerful rich people, but nothing like in that world in which there are actual super heroes. The famous in our world aren’t actively saving the world and people on a daily basis, and thus don’t have the nearly the same level of love and trust those superheroes do.

Again you keep mentioning HR but how would it even get out? They would quickly cover it up and say she’s the one with serious issues. Deep has probably helped save tons of people through several years. The public in THAT world will more than likely believe him over some nobody.

That’s one of the main points of the show. That these guys are pretty untouchable and easily get away with things like murder of innocents extremely often. One of the reasons being they do a really good job of covering it up. So some event like this would be minor to them.

Butcher even mentions how he thinks the public really doesn’t want to know what they really do. Again showing how revered this superheroes are.
Posted by WMTigerFAN
Ouachita
Member since Feb 2005
4504 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:33 pm to
Homelander is Sheriff Lucas from Cinemax's Banshee. I knew I had seen that actor before, just couldn't place him. He does a great job in both altogether different roles.
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