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re: Is $1 million a lot of money in 2019?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 6:47 pm to Dawgfanman
Posted on 6/24/19 at 6:47 pm to Dawgfanman
“A lot” is relative. This board skews towards the top 10% of earners so $1M does not accomplish most objectives of those on here. Relative to average America, it’s more money than someone will ever save or be able to imagine. Those same individuals will have a cheaper lifestyle.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 6:58 pm to Ace Midnight
$1 million has been anchored as a ton of money for a while. It doesn't go as far as it did in 1995, but yes it's a lot of money.
If your income is less than $100k and you retire at 65 with a million dollars you probably won't have much of an adjustment in lifestyle.
You won't be saving income ($15k/yr), saving for college ($5k/yr) or paying a mortgage ($15k/yr). You will receive SS ($35k/yr) and will be eligible for Medicare.
Even if you only spend $40k/yr from investments (4%) that puts you at an equivalent income of $110k and you will avoid SS/Medicare taxes on passive income.
If you retire earlier (say 60) or still have a mortgage it's a different ballgame.
If your income is less than $100k and you retire at 65 with a million dollars you probably won't have much of an adjustment in lifestyle.
You won't be saving income ($15k/yr), saving for college ($5k/yr) or paying a mortgage ($15k/yr). You will receive SS ($35k/yr) and will be eligible for Medicare.
Even if you only spend $40k/yr from investments (4%) that puts you at an equivalent income of $110k and you will avoid SS/Medicare taxes on passive income.
If you retire earlier (say 60) or still have a mortgage it's a different ballgame.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 7:41 pm to lynxcat
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“A lot” is relative. This board skews towards the top 10% of earners so $1M does not accomplish most objectives of those on here. Relative to average America, it’s more money than someone will ever save or be able to imagine. Those same individuals will have a cheaper lifestyle.
Yeah I’m not a top 10% earner (household is somewhere around top 20%). I’ve got a pension coming to me when I’m 60 (14 years) and I am 3 years from owning my house. To me a million would be a lot and would make me consider retiring now, but my monthly expenses (including the house) excluding food/gas/entertainment are under 3000 a month so I’m a cheapskate.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 8:10 pm to castorinho
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Young high earners that have come here for advice have received plenty. Just don't post a picture of your rolls royce at a whataburger while mailing sure your watch is in full display, and you'll fine.
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:46 pm to Fat Bastard
Holy frick, was I drunk when I typed that? "mailing" "you'll fine" ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 9:34 am to LSU6262
Equally as important to retirement is having no debt. Once you get there, it doesn’t take much monthly.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 8:52 pm to Popths
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Once you get there, it doesn’t take much monthly.
all the other stuff adds up also. more than you think. even with no notes. you still have to budget because car insurance, homeowners, groceries, phones, cable/satellite, utilities, internet, water, gasoline, vehicle maintenance, health insurance, etc all adds up way more than most would imagine. i am surei forgot plenty also
Posted on 6/28/19 at 3:28 am to Fat Bastard
quote:Taxes
i am sure i forgot plenty also
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:57 am to Ace Midnight
Well if $2 million is the new $1 million today then does that mean $4 million will be the new $2 million 35 years from now when I retire?
Posted on 7/1/19 at 7:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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Full disclosure: I don't have $1m liquid or otherwise. I place my virtual net worth at about $700k, but that's playing games about shite that hasn't happened yet. "Real world", it's my liquid assests, which are under $100k because of a lot of things.
Anyway, I digress. If you had $1 million and you were, say, 60. Assuming reasonable health and a life expectancy of 85 at that point, could you retire? You could take, what $40k or maybe $50k (after a particularly good year) and expect that money to take you all the way to 85.
Now, if your house is paid for, with SS kicking in at some future date, maybe, but I certainly would feel comfortable at that point.
Isn't $2 million the new $1 million?
1 mill is plenty assume you have no debt and have a little SS check coming in and you live within your means
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:32 am to jsquardjj
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Well if $2 million is the new $1 million today then does that mean $4 million will be the new $2 million 35 years from now when I retire?
That is at least part of the reason I started the thread - for this type of analysis.
For me, since I'm working until 67 (minimum), but probably 70 I have about half the window you do. If I was retiring in 35 years, I would assume that $3.5m to $4m would be the equivalent to $2 million today. Absolutely.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 4:26 pm to jsquardjj
With a 3% inflation rate, $5.5MM 35 years from now is today's $2MM.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 4:36 pm to Ace Midnight
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for this type of analysis
It's a very simple calculation, but you have to assume the inflation rate over the time period of concern.
$5.46MM / (1.03)^35 = $2MM
Normally people think about it the other way. They say "when I retire I think I'll have X" and then figure out how much that will be in today's dollars.
For example, if I think I'll have $2MM 10 years from now and want to know what buying power that represents today, it's
$2MM / (1.03)^10 or $1.488MM
This post was edited on 7/2/19 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 7/4/19 at 2:43 am to Ace Midnight
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Isn't $2 million the new $1 million?
A lot of wealth managers won't work with less than $20 million.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 5:26 am to TxTiger82
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A lot of wealth managers won't work with less than $20 million.
Okay, so how many people is that? Maybe 150k to 175k in the U.S.? Most of those folks already have wealth managers.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 6:01 am to TxTiger82
quote:(A) Irrelevant to the OP
A lot of wealth managers won't work with less than $20 million.
(B) WTF are you talking about?
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Posted on 7/5/19 at 10:08 am to TxTiger82
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A lot of wealth managers won't work with less than $20 million.
How many do you personally know who take this stance?
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