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re: Some within org believe AD has played his last game as a Pelican
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:31 pm to Upperdecker
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:31 pm to Upperdecker
I certainly respect your opinion.
But I have read many well thought out opinions from many writers on this board. I have read many of your opinions I have agreed with, or were thought provoking. I respect that.
The only thing I am confused about is that every time Crewz' name or opinion comes up, you are quick to dismiss it.
I really am just curious.
Again, I do like a respect a lot of your opinions.
But I have read many well thought out opinions from many writers on this board. I have read many of your opinions I have agreed with, or were thought provoking. I respect that.
The only thing I am confused about is that every time Crewz' name or opinion comes up, you are quick to dismiss it.
I really am just curious.
Again, I do like a respect a lot of your opinions.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:32 pm to teke184
quote:Obviously there is some coaching that could be done.
Wouldn’t a competent agent be able to coach their player on how to answer such questions?
But AD has always flown way under the radar and never had any bad publicity really since he's been here. And the public speaking just in general doesn't seem to be his thing, like some are naturally good at it.
I'm just not sure there's any level of coaching that could make him handle it well. Now that being said, the coaching from Paul that should have been done and certainly should be done at this point is to tell AD to go silent, just don't talk to the media at all.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:35 pm to shel311
If nothing else, the first rule of holes is “quit digging”.
He could have given a non-answer. Giving specifics is a problem if those specifics contradict a previous answer. Which it did in this case because he said they had a list and then they didn’t.
He could have given a non-answer. Giving specifics is a problem if those specifics contradict a previous answer. Which it did in this case because he said they had a list and then they didn’t.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:37 pm to Upperdecker
NFL QBs are typically some of the smartest people on the team, along with offensive linemen, because they have to read defenses and change plays based off what they see.
The ability to predict ball movement to make a block or a steal isn’t in the same category.
The ability to predict ball movement to make a block or a steal isn’t in the same category.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:41 pm to teke184
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NFL QBs are typically some of the smartest people on the team, along with offensive linemen, because they have to read defenses and change plays based off what they see. The ability to predict ball movement to make a block or a steal isn’t in the same category.
I won’t compare intelligence between leagues bc I don’t think it’s that cut and dry. There’s a lot more strategy in basketball than you may realize. But in both leagues your face of the franchise player is gonna get coaching on how to handle interviews. And a lot of NBA players can handle interviews well, if coached properly to do it
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:44 pm to Upperdecker
There is strategy in basketball but I think that is usually done through the point guard, not the power forward or center.
Hence Rondo being a beast in the playoffs because he could break down tendencies and know what Portland was doing better than they did.
Hence Rondo being a beast in the playoffs because he could break down tendencies and know what Portland was doing better than they did.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:44 pm to Upperdecker
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This board is more one sided than the Poli Board. Any dissenting opinion is silenced
Half of the board thinks Mac is a jerk. They just don't feel the need to beat a dead horse. He may not know the most, but he knows more THAN most.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:50 pm to kpop1
quote:
I certainly respect your opinion. But I have read many well thought out opinions from many writers on this board. I have read many of your opinions I have agreed with, or were thought provoking. I respect that. The only thing I am confused about is that every time Crewz' name or opinion comes up, you are quick to dismiss it. I really am just curious. Again, I do like a respect a lot of your opinions.
Respect appreciated. And raising a question/concern about what I do in a respectful manner is great
If you take a close look at what I do with Crewz, I rarely outright dismiss anything. I normally call into question the source, but I’m not outright refuting everything. Crewz has certain methods of posting enough to make people give him credit, but maintaining credibility if he’s wrong. It’s a good tactic. But he shouldn’t be allowed to get away with that. If he wants credit he needs to post hard predictions without hedging, so we can track his record more clearly
My second point is a general one about the board. This board lacks creativity and counter points. All valuable information starts and ends with crewz. Which makes no sense, bc this board has good basketball minds. But they get lazy and assume Crewz has a great record, and take his word for everything. Then the entire board has gone along with the exact same thought on everything, right or wrong
I think forcing Crewz into clear predictions will make his record more obvious. If he’s really nailing everything bc he has a great source, then that’s fine by me. He can continue to be the source of all knowledge on the board, bc then it’s good inside knowledge. But if his record isn’t a sparkly as everyone thinks, then the board will open up again to differing views and open conversation
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:31 pm to TigerinATL
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we are completely capable of changing what side we're on based on changing evidence.
This is my favorite board (of those I frequent) on this site because there is independent, even intelligent thought, and actual discussion of different ideas.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:40 pm to Philippines4LSU
quote:100%
This is my favorite board (of those I frequent) on this site because there is independent, even intelligent thought, and actual discussion of different ideas.
I frequent the MSB more but generally speaking, there's just more content there, and this board most of the time has very few new content when the Pels are normally chugging along. But lately, we obviously have a ton of news and things happening all time with our franchise being more in the spotlight than any other currently basically, and this place still keeps a nice family feel and stays cordial for the most part.
That's why I feel that I don't care if someone is giving insider info or not, I think it's a no brainer that this board is better with solid/mature posters even without knowing some breaking story 1 day before it occurs easily over getting the scoop 1 day before by someone who completely ruins the semblance of kumbaya this board has.
It's what separates us from the OT and Saints Talk and Tiger Rant and the MSB, is it really worth becoming no better than freaking Saints Talk to get a scoop a few hours earlier?
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:48 pm to shel311
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That's why I feel that I don't care if someone is giving insider info or not, I think it's a no brainer that this board is better with solid/mature posters even without knowing some breaking story 1 day before it occurs easily over getting the scoop 1 day before by someone who completely ruins the semblance of kumbaya this board has.
I’m not even arguing this far. Crewz doesn’t have to be kicked off the board. I’m just asking for some ethics in journalism, so to speak. Make clear predictions and be honest. You don’t have to divulge your sources, but be upfront about being wrong if you’re gonna make a prediction. No hedging if you’re gonna make a prediction based on insider info
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:50 pm to Philippines4LSU
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This is my favorite board (of those I frequent) on this site because there is independent, even intelligent thought, and actual discussion of different ideas.
There is a lot of group think on this board,tbh. The NBA MSB threads are a little more free flowing.
Occasionally some differing opinions happen, but a lot of posters take whatever local sports media is feeding them.
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:51 pm to Upperdecker
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No hedging if you’re gonna make a prediction based on insider info
Is this really that important to you though? I mean what difference does it actually make?
Would you rather he give a prediction based on inside info and leave out the details (which may also be "inside info") that may cause the prediction to not come true?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:57 pm to JohnnyKilroy
It’s like him posting that old article about Dell not getting a fair shake, then a couple days later Dell is fired. Then Crewz chimes in saying “look I made it so clear to you guys!” Well no, he didn’t make it clear. He could have said the same thing about it if the org sent out a release saying Dell had their full support. He wants the credit for being right, without the notoriety for being wrong
If he was being very honest and giving us the full details of a prediction, I could probably accept that. Specifically if it’s for the purpose of full clarity and honest evaluation. But it’s not, he’s hedging for made up online street cred
If he was being very honest and giving us the full details of a prediction, I could probably accept that. Specifically if it’s for the purpose of full clarity and honest evaluation. But it’s not, he’s hedging for made up online street cred
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:58 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:They're terrible these days.
The NBA MSB threads are a little more free flowing.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:04 pm to Upperdecker
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All valuable information starts and ends with crewz. Which makes no sense, bc this board has good basketball minds. But they get lazy and assume Crewz has a great record, and take his word for everything. Then the entire board has gone along with the exact same thought on everything, right or wrong
utter bullshite when it comes to discussing actual basketball or the moves of the team. there's plenty of groupthink, also plenty of people willing to go the other way
here, you're talking about Crewz making predictions/sharing insider info. he has connections that almost all of us don't have. doesnt mean anyone should blow him for knowing people. rather, i'm not sure how anyone is supposed to have creativity or a counter point to a guy relaying what his sources are telling him
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I think forcing Crewz into clear predictions will make his record more obvious
i don't give a shite if he he hedges about rumors/predictions for the team. not sure why anyone does. it's interesting to discuss what they're thinking w/ insight from a guy who clearly knows people in the organization, but it's all bullshite until it happens
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:05 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Occasionally some differing opinions happen, but a lot of posters take whatever local sports media is feeding them.
One of the main values of a board like this are the differing opinions so you don’t take news reports at face value. We don’t need trolls or contrarians or just people being dicks to each other. But if a poster thinks everyone else is wrong don’t be afraid to speak up. If you’re right we’ll eventually agree with you.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:07 pm to Upperdecker
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I’m not even arguing this far. Crewz doesn’t have to be kicked off the board. I’m just asking for some ethics in journalism, so to speak. Make clear predictions and be honest. You don’t have to divulge your sources, but be upfront about being wrong if you’re gonna make a prediction. No hedging if you’re gonna make a prediction based on insider info
No one cares. Just stop.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:10 pm to shel311
Maybe so, I haven’t been reading them much, lately. TBird, yourself and few others are great, even if I disagree with the take.
But between Reauxl and Boom...it’s LeBron v Harden every thread lol...and the NBA haters.
As you know, if You disageee here though, especially with Crewz, then it’s blood in the water.
As an example, For merely suggesting the possibility of selling high on Holiday, you’d think I’d plowed a few posters mom. Of course then in the national ether a discussion of trading Jrue came up...
Now it doesn’t sound completely insane. Weird how that works.
But between Reauxl and Boom...it’s LeBron v Harden every thread lol...and the NBA haters.
As you know, if You disageee here though, especially with Crewz, then it’s blood in the water.
As an example, For merely suggesting the possibility of selling high on Holiday, you’d think I’d plowed a few posters mom. Of course then in the national ether a discussion of trading Jrue came up...
Now it doesn’t sound completely insane. Weird how that works.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:10 pm to corndeaux
quote:I agree with this, for sure. I think he's way off. The only valuable info that starts/ends with Crewz is the insider info, not just the hoops talk. Not even close, there's multiple posters who rank above Crewz in good hoops talk content on PT.
utter bullshite when it comes to discussing actual basketball or the moves of the team. there's plenty of groupthink, also plenty of people willing to go the other way
quote:The problem for me with this is that people do exactly this IMO.
he has connections that almost all of us don't have. doesnt mean anyone should blow him for knowing people.
quote:I don't think it's worth caring much about, but he definitely does this sometimes. Other times, he makes clear assertions that come to fruition. Sometimes he says vague things like "watch what happens" when it's obvious something will happen because something happens every day in this saga. Then something happens and he says, "see, told ya." I don't care about that either, but I do recognize that has happened before.
i don't give a shite if he he hedges about rumors/predictions for the team. not sure why anyone does.
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