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Collaboration to save the West's forests
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:30 am
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:30 am
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Nearly half of the lands managed by the U.S. Forest Service, or 81.3?million acres, needs attention. Their poor condition, in combination with a succession of wildfire seasons unprecedented in their deadliness and destruction, is forcing a reckoning among federal agencies, environmentalists, timber companies, ranchers, outdoor enthusiasts and local communities
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The Medicine Bow project would authorize clear-cutting on up to 95,000 acres, selective logging on up to 165,000 acres, and other treatments such as prescribed fire and hand thinning on up to another 100,000 acres. Martin said funding could come from the federal government and other sources.
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Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:37 am to TejasHorn
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The Medicine Bow project would authorize clear-cutting on up to 95,000 acres, selective logging on up to 165,000 acres, and other treatments such as prescribed fire and hand thinning on up to another 100,000 acres. Martin said funding could come from the federal government and other sources.
So someone is finally seeing the light!
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:39 am to TejasHorn
quote:Unfortunately, nature's way of taking care of beetle infestation is to burn the infested forest down. So either we find another way to kill the beetles or they continue to kill our forests
Years of beetle infestation have devastated the Medicine Bow National Forest in Wyoming, which is littered with dead trees.Years of beetle infestation have devastated the Medicine Bow National Forest in Wyoming, which is littered with dead trees.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:45 am to TejasHorn
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The Medicine Bow project would authorize clear-cutting on up to 95,000 acres, selective logging on up to 165,000 acres, and other treatments such as prescribed fire and hand thinning on up to another 100,000 acres. Martin said funding could come from the federal government and other sources.
"clear cutting"...of what. Any country boy worth his salt knows that what sprouts up after a clear cut is low growing and fire-hazard weeds and grass. Or that tinder at the bottom is necessary to start even a campfire. It takes the trees years to come back. And with a canopy, that shades (flammable tinder) grasses, it's near impossible to burn.
Controlled burning is the ticket. Remove the tinder...stop the ignition. Looks like common sense is off the table.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:48 am to NC_Tigah
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Unfortunately, nature's way of taking care of beetle infestation is to burn the infested forest down. So either we find another way to kill the beetles or they continue to kill our forests
Clear cutting forest is a human intervention in natural processes, no matter how it’s rationalized. Not saying it’s bad, but don’t pretend it’s natural.
The forests here were tending themselves before we showed up. In fact we called them old growth forests and for some reason there’s not much of that left.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:58 am to RCDfan1950
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Controlled burning is the ticket. Remove the tinder...stop the ignition. Looks like common sense is off the table.
because common sense does not make use of...
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funding could come from the federal government
And wealth redistribution, use of other people's money, is always the real goal.
The solution to every problem: more taxation!
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:01 am to TejasHorn
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Nearly half of the lands managed by the U.S. Forest Service, or 81.3?million acres, needs attention.
When Trump said this and then said we should get advice from other countries, like Finland, with better forest management The Washington Post said he was a retarded dipshit who didn't know anything and so did every progressive on this board.
Everyone remember that?
From less than a month ago?
Hypocrisy unbounded.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 8:03 am
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:04 am to Sidicous
There should be no need to pay Contractors to remove dead trees, as the market value of those trees will be sufficient pay.
It seems that building homes in scenic but problematic areas - like building homes in waterfront/hurricane-likely places - is becoming a risk that the owner/builder must bear.
It seems that building homes in scenic but problematic areas - like building homes in waterfront/hurricane-likely places - is becoming a risk that the owner/builder must bear.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:05 am to TheHarahanian
Yep, the woods have been burning themselves for millions of years.
It never was a problem, until people started building their mansions there.
Now they want something to be done.
It never was a problem, until people started building their mansions there.
Now they want something to be done.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:08 am to Nguyener
quote:DemProgFilth take the Hypocratic Oath: "Always do harm, do as we say, not as we do. We are the Left and know better than anyone else, just ask us we'll tell you repeatedly, even without your asking."
Hypocrisy unbounded.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:09 am to RCDfan1950
95k acres of clearcut on 80+ million acres of land is a small percentage...
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:15 am to RCDfan1950
Maybe we can give Donald a rake once convicted and he can make it all go away. 
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Controlled burning is the ticket. Remove the tinder...stop the ignition. Looks like common sense is off the table.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:22 am to awestruck
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Maybe we can give Donald a rake once convicted
You got him this time! Make sure you get your hopes way up about this.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:24 am to RCDfan1950
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Any country boy worth his salt knows that what sprouts up after a clear cut is low growing and fire-hazard weeds and grass.
Yes and no. Some species like Poplar and hardwoods like maple and oak sprout from stumps, and because of the large remaining root base they feed off of, grow rapidly. Here in the northwoods most clear cut areas were replanted with appropriate species after being prepped.
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Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:29 am to TejasHorn
What a second....I thought man was responsible for global warming and all of the fires in California yet it will take “man” to clear the forests to prevent greater fires in the future? Hypocrisy from the left again.
Man is destroying the earth but if man doesn’t thin the forests they will be destroyed.
Man is destroying the earth but if man doesn’t thin the forests they will be destroyed.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 8:32 am
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:36 am to Dale51
And wouldn’t the logging companies bear the burden for most of the costs?
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:50 am to Rohan Gravy
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And wouldn’t the logging companies bear the burden for most of the costs?
They would get the timber value unless it's going to be like when a private land owner cuts. Timber companies/loggers give a price/ton to owner then they market and keep the rest of the profit. US should take bids. US could make money off this. Then use that money to pay for the control burns and other expenses such as replanting. Hopefully we wouldn't be just giving away the timber that each and every taxpayer owns a piece of.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:55 am to Dale51
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Yes and no. Some species like Poplar and hardwoods like maple and oak sprout from stumps, and because of the large remaining root base they feed off of, grow rapidly. Here in the northwoods most clear cut areas were replanted with appropriate species after being prepped.
Very true, D...and a plus, as those species are far less likely re flammability. That pine straw rocks, when dry, re starting a fire. Saved my butt many times from shivering through the night.
Still, with the grasses growing around them in open sun, they'll be burned again in the next burn cycle, if either Mother Nature or People so choose.
I love the Hardwoods- spent my young years wandering amongst them - but I don't know if they are what supports those dangerous fires. Or even if they would grow in those higher, dryer areas.
Whatever, they'll have to manage/burn those areas if people choose to remain there. A 300' high fire raging in 70mph winds is a nightmare.
:cheers
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:56 am to TejasHorn
quote:Not sure if that is the proper approach but assuming the timber is viable and merchantable, if you can't cut that much timber and not just break even but make money, you are doing it wrong.
The Medicine Bow project would authorize clear-cutting on up to 95,000 acres, selective logging on up to 165,000 acres, and other treatments such as prescribed fire and hand thinning on up to another 100,000 acres. Martin said funding could come from the federal government and other sources.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:58 am to Rohan Gravy
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wouldn’t the logging companies bear the burden for most of the costs?
I know what you’re saying, that the cost of the tree services can be covered by timber companies, but just to clarify - the timber companies will profit from the timber they take in the process.
Forest service is a well understood science. I trust them to make the call on what should be cleaned, culled, clear—cut, or control burned.
My guess is that clear cutting can be used to control unwanted tree species and perhaps to create boundaries so that infestation and fires don’t spread.
Some species may be more susceptible to infestation and less beneficial to the ecosystem of that area.
Remember that a lot of forested areas contain trees that were planted for timber. They aren’t the apex species of that climate zone. Most of the pine species in south Louisiana and Mississippi would die off and be overtaken by broad leafs, bottom hardwoods and cypress if left alone for a few hundred years.
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