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ACLU goes full retard: innocent until proven guilty unfairly favors the accused

Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
22053 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:23 pm
ACLU Twitter

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We advocate for fair school disciplinary processes that uphold the rights of both parties in campus sexual assault and harassment cases.

Today Secretary DeVos proposed a rule that would tip the scales against those who raise their voices.

We strongly oppose it.


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The proposed rule would make schools less safe for survivors of sexual assault and harassment, when there is already alarmingly high rates of campus sexual assaults and harassment that go unreported.


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It promotes an unfair process, inappropriately favoring the accused and letting schools ignore their responsibility under Title IX to respond promptly and fairly to complaints of sexual violence.


DeVos' new proposal

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The new proposal adds protections for accused students, giving them a presumption of innocence throughout the disciplinary process and the right to review all evidence a school collects. They would also be able to cross-examine their accusers, although it would be done indirectly through a representative to avoid personal confrontation.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57916 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:24 pm to
Due Process is apparently only for the press corp.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:26 pm to
Sheesh. So they basically oppose the primary principle of our Justice system

frick them. They need to die
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
12747 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:26 pm to
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It promotes an unfair process, giving men the benefit of doubt


This is what they actually mean.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108147 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:26 pm to
My goodness

Trump hurry and put great judges throughout the courts!
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:27 pm to
Why are schools even handling criminal cases? The police, district attorneys and courts have jurisdiction on campus. Get the schools out of this political circus and treat students as other citizens are treated.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45775 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:27 pm to
Favoring the accused? What about doing away with due process so that the accuser is unfairly favored? There is no balance here. There's only right and wrong and due process is right.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296754 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:27 pm to
I'm telling you, this is headed to a radical change in the country.

Cultural Marxism is a cancer.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62580 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:29 pm to
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this is headed to a radical change in the country.
Sad but true.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69316 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

We advocate for fair school disciplinary processes that uphold the rights of both parties in campus sexual assault and harassment cases.

Today Secretary DeVos proposed a rule that would tip the scales against those who raise their voices.

We strongly oppose it.


I believe there is research out there showing that the current process is disproportionately affecting black male students.

Uh oh ACLU, time to make a choice...

ETA: LINK From The Atlantic no less. Not really a study, but an article on the phenomenon. Excerpts below.

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Janet Halley, a professor at Harvard Law School and a self-described feminist, is one of the few people who have publicly addressed the role of race in campus sexual assault. Interracial assault allegations, she notes, are a category that bears particular scrutiny. In a 2015 Harvard Law Review article, “Trading the Megaphone for the Gavel in Title IX Enforcement,” she writes, “American racial history is laced with vendetta-like scandals in which black men are accused of sexually assaulting white women,” followed eventually by the revelation “that the accused men were not wrongdoers at all.” She writes that “morning-after remorse can make sex that seemed like a good idea at the time look really alarming in retrospect; and the general social disadvantage that black men continue to carry in our culture can make it easier for everyone in the adjudicative process to put the blame on them.” She has observed the phenomenon at her own university: “Case after Harvard case that has come to my attention, including several in which I have played some advocacy or adjudication role, has involved black male respondents.”


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Since there are no national statistics on how many young men of any given race are the subject of campus-sexual-assault complaints, we are left with anecdotes about men of color being accused and punished. There are many such anecdotes. In 2015, in The New Yorker, Jeannie Suk Gersen, a Harvard Law School professor, wrote that in general, the administrators and faculty members she’d spoken with who “routinely work on sexual-misconduct cases” said that “most of the complaints they see are against minorities.” For two years I have received a daily Google Alert on college sexual assault. It captures only those cases that make it into the news, and is not a comprehensive or statistically valid measure. But it is illuminating. Usually the reports don’t disclose race, but sometimes it is mentioned, and if the accused is named, it’s often possible to determine his race through photo searches or other online information. Black men make up only about 6 percent of college undergraduates. They are vastly overrepresented in the cases I’ve tracked.


This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18763 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:34 pm to
Working for Pepsi for many years, when a customer called in to complain about a driver (that had not had complaints in the past) I asked the supervisor if the person who called to complain gave their name, NOT the accounts name, was it a female. Usually did not give their name and was a female.

I would say, before you call the account, ask the driver if he just split up with his girlfriend....BINGO. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Amazing how a woman can accuse a guy, he has no rebuttal, cant examine the evidence, cant question his accuser....and accusations suddenly go through the roof. Its not that they were unreported in the past, they didnt happen in the past.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:34 pm to
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ACLU goes full retard: innocent until proven guilty unfairly favors the accused


WHAT?????!!!!!! I bet the great Felix Frankfurter is rolling in his grave and Alan Dershowitz is shaking his head in shame
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127987 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:34 pm to
SFP is going to love this
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:35 pm to
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They would also be able to cross-examine their accusers, although it would be done indirectly through a representative to avoid personal confrontation.
that's what they should be whining about
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116730 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm to
We didn't use presumption of innocence in Salem, Mass back in the day. Those teenage girls wouldn't lie, would they?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466232 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm to
yeesh

so the ACLU is now against free speech, the 2nd Amendment, and Due Process?
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
26940 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm to
Presumption of innocence used to be one of the ACLU's prime directives.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm to
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I'm telling you, this is headed to a radical change in the country.

Cultural Marxism is a cancer.


This. This is dangerous shite.
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