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ACLU goes full retard: innocent until proven guilty unfairly favors the accused
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:23 pm
ACLU Twitter
DeVos' new proposal
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We advocate for fair school disciplinary processes that uphold the rights of both parties in campus sexual assault and harassment cases.
Today Secretary DeVos proposed a rule that would tip the scales against those who raise their voices.
We strongly oppose it.
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The proposed rule would make schools less safe for survivors of sexual assault and harassment, when there is already alarmingly high rates of campus sexual assaults and harassment that go unreported.
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It promotes an unfair process, inappropriately favoring the accused and letting schools ignore their responsibility under Title IX to respond promptly and fairly to complaints of sexual violence.
DeVos' new proposal
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The new proposal adds protections for accused students, giving them a presumption of innocence throughout the disciplinary process and the right to review all evidence a school collects. They would also be able to cross-examine their accusers, although it would be done indirectly through a representative to avoid personal confrontation.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:24 pm to Ingeniero
Due Process is apparently only for the press corp.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:26 pm to Ingeniero
Sheesh. So they basically oppose the primary principle of our Justice system
frick them. They need to die
frick them. They need to die
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:26 pm to Ingeniero
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It promotes an unfair process, giving men the benefit of doubt
This is what they actually mean.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:26 pm to Ingeniero
My goodness
Trump hurry and put great judges throughout the courts!
Trump hurry and put great judges throughout the courts!
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:27 pm to Ingeniero
Why are schools even handling criminal cases? The police, district attorneys and courts have jurisdiction on campus. Get the schools out of this political circus and treat students as other citizens are treated.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:27 pm to Ingeniero
Favoring the accused? What about doing away with due process so that the accuser is unfairly favored? There is no balance here. There's only right and wrong and due process is right.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:27 pm to Ingeniero
I'm telling you, this is headed to a radical change in the country.
Cultural Marxism is a cancer.
Cultural Marxism is a cancer.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Sad but true.
this is headed to a radical change in the country.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:33 pm to Ingeniero
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We advocate for fair school disciplinary processes that uphold the rights of both parties in campus sexual assault and harassment cases.
Today Secretary DeVos proposed a rule that would tip the scales against those who raise their voices.
We strongly oppose it.
I believe there is research out there showing that the current process is disproportionately affecting black male students.
Uh oh ACLU, time to make a choice...
ETA: LINK From The Atlantic no less. Not really a study, but an article on the phenomenon. Excerpts below.
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Janet Halley, a professor at Harvard Law School and a self-described feminist, is one of the few people who have publicly addressed the role of race in campus sexual assault. Interracial assault allegations, she notes, are a category that bears particular scrutiny. In a 2015 Harvard Law Review article, “Trading the Megaphone for the Gavel in Title IX Enforcement,” she writes, “American racial history is laced with vendetta-like scandals in which black men are accused of sexually assaulting white women,” followed eventually by the revelation “that the accused men were not wrongdoers at all.” She writes that “morning-after remorse can make sex that seemed like a good idea at the time look really alarming in retrospect; and the general social disadvantage that black men continue to carry in our culture can make it easier for everyone in the adjudicative process to put the blame on them.” She has observed the phenomenon at her own university: “Case after Harvard case that has come to my attention, including several in which I have played some advocacy or adjudication role, has involved black male respondents.”
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Since there are no national statistics on how many young men of any given race are the subject of campus-sexual-assault complaints, we are left with anecdotes about men of color being accused and punished. There are many such anecdotes. In 2015, in The New Yorker, Jeannie Suk Gersen, a Harvard Law School professor, wrote that in general, the administrators and faculty members she’d spoken with who “routinely work on sexual-misconduct cases” said that “most of the complaints they see are against minorities.” For two years I have received a daily Google Alert on college sexual assault. It captures only those cases that make it into the news, and is not a comprehensive or statistically valid measure. But it is illuminating. Usually the reports don’t disclose race, but sometimes it is mentioned, and if the accused is named, it’s often possible to determine his race through photo searches or other online information. Black men make up only about 6 percent of college undergraduates. They are vastly overrepresented in the cases I’ve tracked.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:34 pm to Ingeniero
Working for Pepsi for many years, when a customer called in to complain about a driver (that had not had complaints in the past) I asked the supervisor if the person who called to complain gave their name, NOT the accounts name, was it a female. Usually did not give their name and was a female.
I would say, before you call the account, ask the driver if he just split up with his girlfriend....BINGO. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Amazing how a woman can accuse a guy, he has no rebuttal, cant examine the evidence, cant question his accuser....and accusations suddenly go through the roof. Its not that they were unreported in the past, they didnt happen in the past.
I would say, before you call the account, ask the driver if he just split up with his girlfriend....BINGO. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Amazing how a woman can accuse a guy, he has no rebuttal, cant examine the evidence, cant question his accuser....and accusations suddenly go through the roof. Its not that they were unreported in the past, they didnt happen in the past.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:34 pm to Ingeniero
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ACLU goes full retard: innocent until proven guilty unfairly favors the accused
WHAT?????!!!!!! I bet the great Felix Frankfurter is rolling in his grave and Alan Dershowitz is shaking his head in shame
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:34 pm to Ingeniero
SFP is going to love this
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:35 pm to Ingeniero
quote:that's what they should be whining about
They would also be able to cross-examine their accusers, although it would be done indirectly through a representative to avoid personal confrontation.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm to Ingeniero
We didn't use presumption of innocence in Salem, Mass back in the day. Those teenage girls wouldn't lie, would they?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm to Ingeniero
yeesh
so the ACLU is now against free speech, the 2nd Amendment, and Due Process?
so the ACLU is now against free speech, the 2nd Amendment, and Due Process?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm to trinidadtiger
Presumption of innocence used to be one of the ACLU's prime directives.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm telling you, this is headed to a radical change in the country.
Cultural Marxism is a cancer.
This. This is dangerous shite.
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