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Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:47 am to cahoots
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:47 am to cahoots
quote:So now we've moved on to voter enthusiasm? You know there were a lot of people in non-swing states motivated to vote for Trump, right? There will likely be even more people wanting to vote Trump after everything he's done and all the garbage the Democrats have done so far. "Energy" is a subjective standard concept that is independent from whether or not a state is a swing state or not. That energy typically has more to do with the candidates and the political context at the time of the election.
That's nice, but try living in a swing state vs. non-swing state. The energy is completely different during an election. On average, people are wayyy more engaged in swing states. Your personal opinion aside, that's how it works
And I live in a "swing state", though it's becoming more and more blue as left coast Democrats flee the hell holes they've created for themselves.
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:48 am to volod
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:51 am to cahoots
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Lol There’s not an electoral college involved in the November election.
You don't think people in flyover country won't be energized to keep the lunacy of the left out of office in 2020?
Bless your heart.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:51 am to FooManChoo
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That's nice, but try living in a swing state vs. non-swing state. The energy is completely different during an election. On average, people are wayyy more engaged in swing states. Your personal opinion aside, that's how it works
Seems the last two people elected president turned this supposed paradigm on its ear. I'm not sure how anyone's personal opinion could see it otherwise.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:51 am to BugAC
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in Louisiana. I'm quite energized to vote come November. Do you have some special power to detect every human citizen's election desires? Because that's the only possible way your argument makes sense. Otherwise, you are speaking anecdotally because you are upset that America is kicking arse again.
I'm assuming you're Republican, but let's look at it objectively. If you were Democrat or Independent your vote really doesn't matter in LA since you lack the numbers to win a state wide popular vote.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:52 am to cahoots
quote:People who say this are fricking bad at math. The end.
If you are a blue voter in a red state or a red voter in a blue state, you are essentially useless in the eyes of a presidential candidate. It’s all about the swing states.
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But it doesn’t end there. Since campaigns are laser focused on swing states, so are campaign promises. And those same promises come to fruition long after they are elected
Where the frick do you think campaigns would be focused absent the EC? North Dakota?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:52 am to volod
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I'm assuming you're Republican, but let's look at it objectively. If you were Democrat or Independent your vote really doesn't matter in LA since you lack the numbers to win a state wide popular vote.
This is the same for CA folks not on the coast. Whats your point?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:54 am to ShortyRob
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Where the frick do you think campaigns would be focused absent the EC? North Dakota?
They'd be focused on areas where most Americans actually fricking live! A novel concept, I know.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:54 am to cahoots
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If you are a blue voter in a red state or a red voter in a blue state, you are essentially useless in the eyes of a presidential candidate. It’s all about the swing states.
That’s a foolish opinion.
So your argument is basically “your vote doesn’t count if your side loses.”
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:55 am to volod
quote:Honest question: do you think each candidate will visit every town in America and pander for each individual's vote in a NPV?
If you were Democrat or Independent your vote really doesn't matter in LA since you lack the numbers to win a state wide popular vote.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:56 am to cahoots
quote:It's actually not all that Novel at all.
They'd be focused on areas where most Americans actually fricking live! A novel concept, I know.
I swear to God............our education system has failed. What you view as a bug is a goddamned feature and is the only reason the nation formed in the first place.
Leftists, for all that "we're so educated" rhetoric are AMAZINGLY ignorant of how and why our nation was founded.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:56 am to Antonio Moss
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That’s a foolish opinion.
So your argument is basically “your vote doesn’t count if your side loses.”
It's not opinion, it's fact. Voter turnout is higher in swing states.
You think that's coincidental or people are staying home?
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 10:57 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:03 am to cahoots
I've read enough of this thread and your arguments to realize that you're just pouting.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:04 am to cahoots
quote:Voter turnout trends higher in swing states but if you compare the swing states to the actual voter turnout, there are several non-swing states that have higher turnout rates than other swing states and many more who might have comparable turnout rates even if they are slightly lower.
It's not opinion, it's fact. Voter turnout is higher in swing states.
You think that's coincidental or people are staying home?
You make it sound like swing states get a 90% turnout rate while every other state struggles to get anyone to vote at all. That's just not the case.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:07 am to cahoots
If you are a red voter in a blue state or a blue voter in a red state you are in the minority. There is no minority rule.
If you are are a red voter in a blue state... what the frick? You like high taxes, corruption, complicity with mob violence, illegals with more rights than you, and poop and needles in the streets? Get the frick out of there.
The EC is not going anywhere. The nation isn’t going to let the metropolitan north east coast and California rule the entire country.
If you are are a red voter in a blue state... what the frick? You like high taxes, corruption, complicity with mob violence, illegals with more rights than you, and poop and needles in the streets? Get the frick out of there.
The EC is not going anywhere. The nation isn’t going to let the metropolitan north east coast and California rule the entire country.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:09 am to ShortyRob
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Leftists, for all that "we're so educated" rhetoric are AMAZINGLY ignorant of how and why our nation was founded.
That is why education was infiltrated
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:11 am to 50_Tiger
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This is the same for CA folks not on the coast. Whats your point?
We both made the same point. For argument, let's say 35% of LA is Democratic and 40% of CA is GOP. Those percentages of their respective state population dont matter in a Presidential election. They may make a difference for a local representative or senator.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 11:13 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:12 am to 50_Tiger
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Two questions for you baw:
1) Did you pass Civics in High School?
2) Do you understand why the Electoral College was implemented?
Part of the reason for the electoral college was because the founding fathers feared direct election of a tyrant. Faithless electors have actually affected the outcome before FYI
Another reason was small states at the convention vying for more power. There were a lot of compromises made at the constitutional convention.
The founders were divided on the electoral college itself and the small state element was also subject to debate. I’m continuing that debate.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 11:13 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:14 am to ShortyRob
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swear to God............our education system has failed. What you view as a bug is a goddamned feature and is the only reason the nation formed in the first place.
Leftists, for all that "we're so educated" rhetoric are AMAZINGLY ignorant of how and why our nation was founded.
I’m not ignorant of the reasons and the debate surrounding the system at the time of our founding. I am merely keeping that debate alive, much as the founders also intended. That’s why they gave use the power to change things like the electoral college!
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 11:15 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 11:14 am to cahoots
The reason the Electoral College doesnt suck is that it keeps the top 20 urban areas frim selecting our President each election. You argue that swing states get all the attention but think how bad it would be if the only places that mattered were NYC, Chic, LA, SF, Hou, Atl, Philly, Mia, and Boston...
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