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Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:26 am to cahoots
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:26 am to cahoots
Vote with your feet
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:26 am to cahoots
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If you are a blue voter in a red state or a red voter in a blue state, you are essentially useless in the eyes of a presidential candidate. It’s all about the swing states.
Okay. So how does that change with a straight popular vote?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:27 am to cahoots
Where were these electoral college threads between 2008-2016?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:28 am to cahoots
I live in a red state (LA). I see a lot more money in my paycheck so campaign promises came to fruition for me.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:28 am to cahoots
Why would you live in a blue state 
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:28 am to cahoots
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So not only does the electoral college render many Americans’ votes worthless
This is exactly why we have the EC to prevent states like NY and CA from dictating who our President should be.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:30 am to cahoots
I am not going to do the work as I am too lazy....but I wonder how the electoral votes would have worked out if every Representative district gave 1 electoral vote for the winner of the popular vote in that district and the overall winner of popular for the state got the extra 2 electoral votes for the senators.
There are surely a lot of districts in CA and NY that would have gone R and I am sure there are a lot of districts in TX that would have gone D. Perhaps someone already did this math but it would be an interesting view.
ETA - Looks like 270 to win shows that...
270 to win
Trump would have won 290 - 248
Romeny would have won in 2012 274-264
There are surely a lot of districts in CA and NY that would have gone R and I am sure there are a lot of districts in TX that would have gone D. Perhaps someone already did this math but it would be an interesting view.
ETA - Looks like 270 to win shows that...
270 to win
Trump would have won 290 - 248
Romeny would have won in 2012 274-264
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 9:36 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:31 am to cahoots
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So not only does the electoral college render many Americans’ votes worthless, it also creates constant bias towards catering to the needs of Americans in swing states. It basically biases the presidency towards policies that influence swing states ALL THE TIME.
I'd say that it is more "unfair" to have 2 cities decide the outcome of an election if we are going by the popular vote.
I also find it funny that the EC was only a problem when Trump won.
It's also funny that the makeup of the Supreme Court is now only a problem, because Kavanaugh rightfully was approved as a justice.
It's downright adorable, that an American system or foundation is only flawed or "doesn't work" when liberals don't get their way.
In short, your point is asinine. Move on to the next faux outrage.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:31 am to The Pirate King
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Where were these electoral college threads between 2008-2016?
If we went popular instead of EC, campaigns would be completely different. Voter turnout would be completely different. So you can't play hypotheticals like that.
In fact, that's my point. A huge % of Americans are sitting on the sidelines.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:31 am to cahoots
Or we can just let California and New York decide the elections then
/s
/s
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:32 am to cahoots
Who did you vote for in 2016?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:32 am to cahoots
This new interest in the ec is fascinating.
Wonder where it comes from?
Wonder where it comes from?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:33 am to cahoots
quote:
If we went popular instead of EC, campaigns would be completely different. Voter turnout would be completely different. So you can't play hypotheticals like that.
You're right. Turnout in places other than major coastal cities would be very low because their votes would be trumped by the left coast liberals.
Why don't we start small? Can we agree that before we decide to fundamentally change the election system that's been in place for 200+ years that hasn't been a problem, maybe we require voter ID laws first?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:33 am to cahoots
the electoral college is the single most brilliant thing in the Constitution
It ensures that large cities do not run roughshod over rural areas. But because more populated states have more EC votes it ensures that small rural states don’t dictate to the larger ones.
It really is the perfect system for a Republic.
It ensures that large cities do not run roughshod over rural areas. But because more populated states have more EC votes it ensures that small rural states don’t dictate to the larger ones.
It really is the perfect system for a Republic.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:33 am to fillmoregandt
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Or we can just let California and New York decide the elections then /s
They wouldn’t decide the elections in the way that you think. All Americans would be motivated to turn out because their votes actually count. Across the country.
More conservatives on the coast would turn out. The entire country would be much more engaged.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:34 am to cahoots
The president doesn't represent every voter and he shouldn't. The executive branch is there to do.
Your senator and representatives are the ones needed to be on the hot seat. Hold fire to their feet as they actually are what's supposed to matter for the people in DC.
Your senator and representatives are the ones needed to be on the hot seat. Hold fire to their feet as they actually are what's supposed to matter for the people in DC.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:34 am to idlewatcher
Each state gets representation, each state votes for how that representation will look.
The size of that representation is based on the population of that state. For example, California has the most electoral votes.
Skipping all the inquiries into the "intellectual" aspects of your point, are you saying we should abolish states as it pertains to electing national politicians?
Why stop there, should senators even be elected by states and not a nation wide popular vote?
The size of that representation is based on the population of that state. For example, California has the most electoral votes.
Skipping all the inquiries into the "intellectual" aspects of your point, are you saying we should abolish states as it pertains to electing national politicians?
Why stop there, should senators even be elected by states and not a nation wide popular vote?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:35 am to memphis tiger
Another thing:
Look at the US map for the last presidential election divided by county.
Almost the entire thing was red.
That’s why we have the EC.
Look at the US map for the last presidential election divided by county.
Almost the entire thing was red.
That’s why we have the EC.
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