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High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:57 am
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Like most other American high school students, Garret Morgan had it drummed into him constantly: Go to college. Get a bachelor's degree. "All through my life it was, 'if you don't go to college you're going to end up on the streets,' " Morgan said. "Everybody's so gung-ho about going to college." So he tried it for a while. Then he quit and started training as an ironworker, which is what he is doing on a weekday morning in a nondescript high-ceilinged building with a concrete floor in an industrial park near the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport. Morgan and several other men and women are dressed in work boots, hard hats and Carhartt's, clipped to safety harnesses with heavy wrenches hanging from their belts. They're being timed as they wrestle 600-pound I-beams into place. Seattle is a forest of construction cranes, and employers are clamoring for skilled ironworkers. Morgan, who is 20, is already working on a job site when he isn't at the Pacific Northwest Ironworkers shop. He gets benefits, including a pension, from employers at the job sites where he is training. And he is earning $28.36 an hour, or more than $50,000 a year, which is almost certain to steadily increase.
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"Parents want success for their kids. They get stuck on [four-year bachelor's degrees], and they're not seeing the shortage there is in tradespeople until they hire a plumber and have to write a check." Mike Clifton, Lake Washington Institute of Technology
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There are already more trade jobs like carpentry, electrical, plumbing, sheet-metal work and pipe-fitting than Washingtonians to fill them, the state auditor reports. Many pay more than the state's average annual wage of $54,000.
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:59 am to RedRifle
And, yet, way too many kids will go to college only to realize it's not for them.
Going to college has become big-time recruitment and propoganda. Kids need to really know what they want to do before going to school. I sure as hell didn't know what I wanted to do at 18.
Going to college has become big-time recruitment and propoganda. Kids need to really know what they want to do before going to school. I sure as hell didn't know what I wanted to do at 18.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:00 am to RedRifle
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Many pay more than the state's average annual wage of $54,000.
Most people want to make a lot more than that.
I get trade jobs can get up there when you become a master plumber or carpenter and I agree more people who aren't very good at school should go that route.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:00 am to RedRifle
Blasphemy
You mean to tell me that this is more important than experiencing the college dream, majoring in liberal arts, and bitching because my student loan dept is out of control while not finding a job?
You mean to tell me that this is more important than experiencing the college dream, majoring in liberal arts, and bitching because my student loan dept is out of control while not finding a job?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:03 am to RedRifle
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:08 am to RedRifle
When i started in directional drilling most of that companies employees were ex military. I would argue that 90% were great employees. Now companies want people witg 4 year degrees. The college grads that come out are entitled and not that bright. Had one that couldnt send an email or turn a wrench. He was useless to me
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:09 am to RedRifle
I would have appreciated college a lot more with a little "real world" motivation provided by a year or two gap after high school. Or I would have found a non-college career like the guy in the OP.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:10 am to RedRifle
Worked as a granite installer for 4 years before I woke up one day and said “frick this” and went to College. I hold all tradesmen to an extremely high standard. Taking pride in craftsmanship is a dying art.
That being said, I feel like all 4 year degrees should be similar to Nursing...2 years learning fundementals in a classroom then 2 years on the job training. I learned more in my first 6 months on the job out of school than I did all 4 years combined.
That being said, I feel like all 4 year degrees should be similar to Nursing...2 years learning fundementals in a classroom then 2 years on the job training. I learned more in my first 6 months on the job out of school than I did all 4 years combined.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 10:11 am
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:11 am to RedRifle
What I envision for my son, if he isn’t an academic/technically minded person like myself or my wife, is to go get a business degree from a state school and after college go train for a trade like electrician, plumber, hvac. Once he gets his certifications (because our state makes you have a liscense to do anything and everything short of wiping your own arse) he now hopefully has the business background to work for himself and run a successful business
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:11 am to RedRifle
Everytime I drive across campus I see these thousands of kids walking to and from class and I feel bad because most of them probably think there's a job waiting for them as soon as they graduate.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:12 am to RedRifle
Should have listened to my Uncle. He told me to go to welding school. My mom would get mad and say dont tell him that, he has to go to college.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:13 am to RedRifle
the world needs nfl fans too
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:16 am to RedRifle
I come off as a hypocrite anytime I say this, because I have 2 college degrees, but college isn't for everyone, nor should it be the prescribed goal for everyone. We need people with trades. I see the job market in my own field right now, and I would quickly steer anyone away from the program I received my degree in, ESPECIALLY if they wanted to stay in Louisiana.
I also truly believe that in many fields, a Bachelor's just doesn't do it anymore simply because so many people go to college and get degrees now. My freshman class for my degree program had 25-30 people in it, and I think 4 of us may actually work in the field today. The rest either switched degrees, or graduated in that degree and aren't working in the field.
Go get a trade, kids. Nothing wrong with that.
I also truly believe that in many fields, a Bachelor's just doesn't do it anymore simply because so many people go to college and get degrees now. My freshman class for my degree program had 25-30 people in it, and I think 4 of us may actually work in the field today. The rest either switched degrees, or graduated in that degree and aren't working in the field.
Go get a trade, kids. Nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:17 am to RedRifle
We have to reform education in this country. Say it with me, people, "Chartered Trade Schools, Chartered Trade Schools"
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:21 am to RedRifle
I used to tell my students that there are 2 words that never go together in the English language:
Unemployed, and Welder
Unemployed, and Welder
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:24 am to RedRifle
While you low t college boys were taking your lesbian dance therapy at lsjw so you could get in debt to make 40k a year I was turning wrenches on the pipeline making more per hour than you make per week!
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:24 am to RedRifle
My son is about to finish his sophomore year in high school. He’s already been accepted and given a full scholarship for college welding courses starting this fall. He will be dual enrolled in both high school and college for his junior and senior years of high school. When he graduates high school he will be halfway to a degree in welding. Once he gets that he plans to attend a more advanced welding school in either Kentucky or Texas. When all is said and done he will be a highly skilled professional welder entering a job market with massive opportunity and very few equally qualified peers.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:29 am to RedRifle
College isn’t for everyone at 18 years old. I’ll admit that. But if you want to retire ever a trade job isn’t the best way to get there.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:29 am to RedRifle
This is a tough one. The world needs garbage men - and welders, millwrights, mechanics, truck drivers, roughnecks, etc. The issue is the free money that goes out to support our poor. Why go bust your arse to work your way up from making $12 to making $30 per hour ten years in to your career? Take the free tuition and avoid work a while longer. Then go home and wait for the taxpayers to pay you $10-12 equivalent. If you dont work you dont eat would solve much of the labor shortage.
Also, these goofy arse professors and administrators who live off the taxpayers are self-serving. Most work for a state funded institution and have may a career hustling for free money. Of course college is worthwhile and they are needed but there are too many stoned, goofy, liberal idiots teaching sociology and art appreciation.
Our manufacturing industry needs labor right now. A great problem to have for sure but no politician is willing to risk his taxpayer-funded check to push people into the jobs.
Also, these goofy arse professors and administrators who live off the taxpayers are self-serving. Most work for a state funded institution and have may a career hustling for free money. Of course college is worthwhile and they are needed but there are too many stoned, goofy, liberal idiots teaching sociology and art appreciation.
Our manufacturing industry needs labor right now. A great problem to have for sure but no politician is willing to risk his taxpayer-funded check to push people into the jobs.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:36 am to RedRifle
quote:"High-paying"? If the jobs are sitting empty, then they aren't paying enough. Isn't this simple supply and demand?
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