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re: Concerning guns and the mentally ill: a look into the recent political past
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:58 am to SidewalkDawg
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:58 am to SidewalkDawg
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Again. So that we are clear. You are OK with a sitting president having the ability to violate constitutional rights of due process simply by EO?
What constitutional rights would have been violated to have the registered mentally ill scrutinized? Are their constitutional rights violated when they accept SSI benefits for those impairments?
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:00 am to Rex
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What constitutional rights would have been violated to have the registered mentally ill scrutinized? Are their constitutional rights violated when they accept SSI benefits for those impairments?
So, because someone believes the poor are more dangerous with the guns than the rich, are you cool with extra scrutiny because they receive government benefits?
I'm just trying to narrow down which under privileged groups you're cool with crapping all over their rights.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:01 am to Jcorye1
Most complete slaughter of a liberal talking point in recent poliboard history? I think so.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:04 am to Rex
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What constitutional rights would have been violated to have the registered mentally ill scrutinized? Are their constitutional rights violated when they accept SSI benefits for those impairments?
Jesus Christ Rex.
Do you even care about the Constitution at all? Like even a little bit?
You cannot infringe on someone's rights without DUE PROCESS. That means if you are going to take someone's guns or their constitutional right to own guns, you need a pretty damn good legal reason to do so.
Apply this logic to ANY OTHER rights. Should we remove Free Speech from these people as well?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:04 am to Jcorye1
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So, because someone believes the poor are more dangerous with the guns than the rich, are you cool with extra scrutiny because they receive government benefits?
So, it's your position that a mental illness should not prohibit gun ownership? Funny stuff considering how the spurious rightwing defense of gun ownership in the aftermath of the massacre was that Cruz should have been prevented BECAUSE of his mental illness. Like I said, people like you talk from both sides of the mouth.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:06 am to Jcorye1
The freak is going to deflect.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:06 am to SidewalkDawg
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That means if you are going to take someone's guns or their constitutional right to own guns, you need a pretty damn good legal reason to do so.
You are mischaracterizing the regulation. It would not have automatically done that. It only provided information about who was recognized as mentally ill, and thus made them subject to background checks.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:07 am to Rex
quote:Now, now.
they accept SSI benefits for those impairments?
I know you aren't that insensitive.
Surely you meant "differences", not "impairments".
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:08 am to Rex
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So, it's your position that a mental illness should not prohibit gun ownership? Funny stuff considering how the spurious rightwing defense of gun ownership in the aftermath of the massacre was that Cruz should have been prevented BECAUSE of his mental illness. Like I said, people like you talk from both sides of the mouth.
Why did you ignore that we said he should have been visited by the FBI when they warned twice about him? You oddly keep ignoring that.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:10 am to Rex
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What I see here are people talking out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand you defend Trump for rescinding a rule that would have made the acquisition of guns by mentally ill people like Cruz much more difficult, but then you say that Cruz should have been stopped because he's mentally ill.
You make no fricking sense. You're an enabler.
I am not talking about Trump or the mental illness issue here. I am just stating that, regardless of what the law is or should have been here, the FBI still had the opportunity to stop this kid given that they had been warned by someone who knew him that he was a potential risk. The person literally reported to the FBI that they feared that Cruz would shoot up a school.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:10 am to Rex
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So, it's your position that a mental illness should not prohibit gun ownership?
It's my position that it should be extremely difficult to take away someone's Constitutionally protected rights. I could see taking those rights away if an individual goes through the legal steps to be declared incompetent. Any method to disarm an individual because of mental health should at least involve some sort of trial.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:18 am to Rex
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Let's just say that Trump has enabled the NEXT shooter, OK?
How many mass shooters have come from the category outlined in Obama’s rescinded regulations?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:26 am to Rex
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It only provided information about who was recognized as mentally ill, and thus made them subject to background checks.
Everyone who buys a gun goes through a background check already. What benefit would this have provided if not to prevent the sale of firearms?
Again, when you buy a firearm you go through a backgorund check. The only exception is if you buy face to face from a private citizen and then this system of "Providing information" is useless because as an individual I cannot utilize it to scrutinize my sale.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:27 am to Rex
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about...again.
Let the hate flow.
Let the hate flow.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
It’s great to be able to watch mental gymnastics develop and progress so organically. Thanks Rex, you keep doing you, you furry weirdo
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:30 am to BeeFense5
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Why did you ignore that we said he should have been visited by the FBI when they warned twice about him?
On what grounds? Mental illness?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:32 am to Rex
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On what grounds? Mental illness?
Pretty sure he threatened to shoot people
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:42 am to Rex
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And yet you all have the temerity to insist that this Florida incident could have been prevented when a man in the White House ENABLED him... and when by your support you did the same.
Patient presented with clear signs of narcissistic personality disorder. He appears to dwell in a world consisting of a perpetual battle between "himself" and "you all."
Patient alternates between incoherent babbling and fits of rage. Suspect acute sky screaming during the latter phase.
Patient exhibits symptoms of a disassociative disorder, expressed primarily in his dressing up as various animals. The main character in this regard is a mentally challenged bijon fris or some similar breed of useless dog.
My recommendation is we provide patient with a gun and pray for him.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:47 am to Rex
quote:Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
repeal of President Obama's restriction on purchases of weapons by the mentally ill:
What Trump signed had no effect on existing rules regarding restrictions on the mentally ill to buy firearms.
The Obama rule never went into effect as it was signed just days before Obama left office and had not gone into effect.
What Trump signed rescinded an Obama EO that required the Social Security Administration to share medical benefits information with the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and, as I said above, had not gone into effect at the time Trump rescinded it.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:52 am to Rex
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when a man in the White House ENABLED him.
Are you sure you aren't from Pine Bluff?
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