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re: Professional sports being 'fixed' or at least influenced...
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:10 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:10 am to Lester Earl
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Right call. shite I think that has been called on the saints this year actually. When you have a backup who is never on FG’s replacing Kelemete it’s not out of the ordinary that he lines up wrong
It gets called on the inside guys like earlier in the year. Very seldom gets called without at least a warning on one of the outside guys.
ETA: I'm mostly basing that off one of the discussions I saw on tv the next day. They basically said most teams use that formation and you never see it called. If it's too obvious, the coach always gets a warning. There were calling it a horseshoe and Lebrieus (spell?) was towards the edge and first guy set back. Most of them agree that's how all teams do it.
This post was edited on 12/10/17 at 11:12 am
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Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:11 am to supadave3
Well-here's what has got me.
Mayweather vs McGregor. And the silence/ignorance.
Real world scenario-McGregor looks like a fool, doesn't land a shot, gets knocked out in the 1st.
Billion dollar event scenario-Y'all better go out and make it look good for the fans. These advertisers want that money. Let's make a precedent.
If you've got any type of real martial arts background or have boxed, you know this fight was a farce.
Mayweather vs McGregor. And the silence/ignorance.
Real world scenario-McGregor looks like a fool, doesn't land a shot, gets knocked out in the 1st.
Billion dollar event scenario-Y'all better go out and make it look good for the fans. These advertisers want that money. Let's make a precedent.
If you've got any type of real martial arts background or have boxed, you know this fight was a farce.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:13 am to Lester Earl
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And Brees was a play away from winning the game. That is a pretty sad attempt to fix a game
You guys do know it’s possible for one team to have more penalties than the other without the game being fixed, right?
The question still stands. Why were the Seahawks allowed to make a mockery of concussion protocol when their most indispensable player was hurt? Where was the league that night?
This post was edited on 12/10/17 at 11:14 am
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:16 am to lsutigers1992
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The question still stands. Why were the Seahawks allowed to make a mockery of concussion protocol when their most dispensable player was hurt? Where was the league that night?
As a Saints fan I'm glad they held him out. I don't care about the RW situation with the Seahawks. You saw how Kamara went down, it was awkward and you could tell for a sec there while he was running back to sideline he was off. Props to the dude for jumping right back up and wanting to get back in the game.
I don't care if it was league doctors doing it on purpose or not, something was off with how he fell and ran off. I'd like Kamara to last more than 2 years in the NFL. I'd also like him to be able to still think straight after he retires.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:17 am to lsutigers1992
There is a league mandated independent Neroulogist at every game
The referee sent Wilson off and before Drs got to him he went back in the game. He was evaluated by them after the series and was cleared
The referee sent Wilson off and before Drs got to him he went back in the game. He was evaluated by them after the series and was cleared
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:17 am to lsutigers1992
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Why were the Seahawks allowed to make a mockery of concussion protocol when their most indispensable player was hurt? Where was the league that night?
Maybe they were more cautious with Kamara because they took so much heat for Wilson?
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:18 am to windshieldman
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As a Saints fan I'm glad they held him out.
Exactly. Why did people want him back in the game??
He was CLEARLY concussed
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:29 am to Lester Earl
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Exactly. Why did people want him back in the game??
Same with Kelemete, and same for Falcons with Coleman. The doctors made the wise choice to keep them out. It's tough to for sure diagnose some concussions, specifically if they are mild. Possibly Kamara didn't have a "true" concussion, but if it's close they are gonna keep him out. I played football myself, back when you know you have a concussion and just kept your mouth shut and kept playing. That wasn't hardcore, that was stupid. The league is playing it smart.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:33 am to windshieldman
Just to add to my above statement. Yes I realize the players know what they are getting themselves into, most of them probably get pissed when kept out after a possible concussion. Their well being when they get older are already gonna be in question due to playing football so many years. I'll take my team losing due to a player being held out, over him racking up multiple concussions in a game for years and the dude not even knowing his name when he's 50.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 1:19 pm to supadave3
A lot of talk about football ITT, but there is no more poorly (or suspiciously) officiated sport than college basketball.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 1:42 pm to corneredbeast
No doubt. It's downright unwatchable at times.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 2:27 pm to crazyLSUstudent
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Well I would think the league would have wanted the saints to win. Giving the Cowboys a better chance at making the playoffs
They also could have wanted the Falcons to win to keep the NFC South so tightly contested.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 3:59 pm to supadave3
Tom Rathman was a hell of a player, btw.
I think OP is largely correct with his hypothesis.
I think OP is largely correct with his hypothesis.
Posted on 12/10/17 at 10:36 pm to cypressbrake3
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Tom Rathman was a hell of a player, btw.
Yeah, he was a beast. Along the same lines of Mike Alstott.
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I think OP is largely correct with his hypothesis
Thanks. I really just wanted to have a conversation to see what other rational fans thought. It’s a very interesting topic. I’m just glad enough of y’all actually took the time to read it and respond with valid thoughts. I was afraid I’d just get 15 responses saying “TL, DR”.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:25 am to windshieldman
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I believe it was just awful refs being awful at their jobs, for the entire game
Funny how those calls affect millions of dollars. How many penalties have affected the outcomes of games in the final seconds? Alot. If this happened on rare occasions we could call it coincidence or simple mishaps. But when it happens with regularity, it means that those outcomes are putting money in someones pockets. The NFL was founded to gamble on by mafia bosses. Its been influenced(rigged/fixed) since its invention. Its a game of money. The competition on the field means little when a few calls here and there can push the ball in a certain direction better than the Brady, Brees, Montana, Elway, Marino, and Mannings. I like watching football and if the Saints lose on some shite like this, I dont get get upset because I know there is a reason they lost that they couldnt control. Its OK. Its only entertainment. Like watching a movie every Sunday.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:56 am to supadave3
It is most definitely influenced. Honestly it probably always has been the thing is now it is nearly impossible to hide. With technology and so much information available it can't be hidden.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:55 pm to Ponchy Tiger
I was in Vegas last year and we started talking to some locals at the Caesars Palace Sportsbook. They said people would not believe how often sports games are influenced and sometimes outright fixed.
They were saying how $$$ and job security are used mostly, but if they know that stuff won’t work on who they need, they will dig up dirt on the ref/coach/player or his family to get him to go along with it. We asked what type of dirt and their response was “the type of dirt that money can’t fix” so we asked like what? Their responses were “affairs, drug use, homosexual encounters, etc.”
We didn’t know what to say.
They were saying how $$$ and job security are used mostly, but if they know that stuff won’t work on who they need, they will dig up dirt on the ref/coach/player or his family to get him to go along with it. We asked what type of dirt and their response was “the type of dirt that money can’t fix” so we asked like what? Their responses were “affairs, drug use, homosexual encounters, etc.”
We didn’t know what to say.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:29 pm to supadave3
I don't know about the NFL. But point shaving has happened in college and pro basketball due to betting. shite an NBA ref was caught betting on games he reffed.
Now that doesn't have anything to do with the league, but it shows individuals are willing to cheat and influence games for money.
I could easily see the NFL doing this because their ratings have dropped and Thursday games kind of suck. So to keep the game and the playoff race interesting, some calls are fudged.
It's the same in the sec. The teams that seem more likely to get the big BCS or playoff payout look to be protected more.
Now that doesn't have anything to do with the league, but it shows individuals are willing to cheat and influence games for money.
I could easily see the NFL doing this because their ratings have dropped and Thursday games kind of suck. So to keep the game and the playoff race interesting, some calls are fudged.
It's the same in the sec. The teams that seem more likely to get the big BCS or playoff payout look to be protected more.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:39 pm to jac1280
word.
financial trouble is one of the big ways you can get someone to turn
financial trouble is one of the big ways you can get someone to turn
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:42 pm to supadave3
I like to believe that games being 'fixed' are very rare and the result of one key player getting compromised. It's very possible that I'm simply naive.
Years ago (early 2000s), I recall that it seemed like any NBA playoff series that started out 2-0 would have a key player picking up two quick fouls in game 3. Of course when that happens, the player sits out nearly all of the 1st half and the entire game and series changes.
In basketball, the easiest way to influence a game is for a star player to get in early foul trouble.
In football, the easiest way to influence a game is to throw a late flag on a huge play (i.e. think offensive holding on a long TD pass).
Years ago (early 2000s), I recall that it seemed like any NBA playoff series that started out 2-0 would have a key player picking up two quick fouls in game 3. Of course when that happens, the player sits out nearly all of the 1st half and the entire game and series changes.
In basketball, the easiest way to influence a game is for a star player to get in early foul trouble.
In football, the easiest way to influence a game is to throw a late flag on a huge play (i.e. think offensive holding on a long TD pass).
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