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What kneelers and confederate flag waivers have in common...
Posted on 10/9/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 8:21 pm
In both instances, the perpetrators (kneelers and flag wavers) believe that they are making one statement, but people on the outside view it to mean something entirely different.
Kneelers are trying to make a statement about institutional racism in the justice system, but those who view the protest see it as as insult to soldiers and first responders. They see it as those players calling the entire country and those who died to protect it as racist.
Those who wave the confederate flag do so to show Southern Pride and to honor the memories of their ancestors who served under that flag during the Civil War. Those on the outside see them as being racists supporting slavery and treason while trying to intimidate black people.
In both cases, while one's cause may be just, those who choose to engage in the behavior must recognize that the statement they want to make is often not the one that is perceived by the general public.
I'm not trying to pick sides, but I feel like such a comparison could bring some clarity to the situation.
Kneelers are trying to make a statement about institutional racism in the justice system, but those who view the protest see it as as insult to soldiers and first responders. They see it as those players calling the entire country and those who died to protect it as racist.
Those who wave the confederate flag do so to show Southern Pride and to honor the memories of their ancestors who served under that flag during the Civil War. Those on the outside see them as being racists supporting slavery and treason while trying to intimidate black people.
In both cases, while one's cause may be just, those who choose to engage in the behavior must recognize that the statement they want to make is often not the one that is perceived by the general public.
I'm not trying to pick sides, but I feel like such a comparison could bring some clarity to the situation.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 8:25 pm
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 8:22 pm to kingbob
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What kneelers and confederate flag waivers have in common...
Both are fake protesters being carried out by the left?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 8:23 pm to kingbob
Your points make sense and are based on reason and open mindedness.
Which means this won't end well for you.
Which means this won't end well for you.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 8:24 pm to kingbob
*wavers
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:21 pm to kingbob
I don’t think this an unfair comparison. So... duck? 
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:52 pm to kingbob
One group does their little displays on their own time and money while the others are doing it to a captive audience on the paying customers’ dollars and time.
I’d say that’s the biggest difference.
I’d say that’s the biggest difference.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:56 pm to kingbob
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Those who wave the confederate flag do so to show Southern Pride and to honor the memories of their ancestors who served under that flag during the Civil War.
But those redneck motherfrickers aren't doing that during the pledge or national anthem, right?
Just checking...
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:19 pm to kingbob
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In both cases, while one's cause may be just, those who choose to engage in the behavior must recognize that the statement they want to make is often not the one that is perceived by the general public. I'm not trying to pick sides, but I feel like such a comparison could bring some clarity to the situation.
you are officially one of my favorite posters.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:46 am to kingbob
Very good point. I have noticed the same thing.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:28 am to kingbob
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What kneelers and confederate flag waivers have in common...
In both instances, the perpetrators (kneelers and flag wavers) believe that they are making one statement, but people on the outside view it to mean something entirely different.
Kneelers are trying to make a statement about institutional racism in the justice system, but those who view the protest see it as as insult to soldiers and first responders. They see it as those players calling the entire country and those who died to protect it as racist.
Those who wave the confederate flag do so to show Southern Pride and to honor the memories of their ancestors who served under that flag during the Civil War. Those on the outside see them as being racists supporting slavery and treason while trying to intimidate black people.
In both cases, while one's cause may be just, those who choose to engage in the behavior must recognize that the statement they want to make is often not the one that is perceived by the general public.
I'm not trying to pick sides, but I feel like such a comparison could bring some clarity to the situation.
A keen observation well stated.
Not often do I encounter a simple truth I have never considered.
Well done.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:13 am to kingbob
I understand how you have come to this post but
1) You must not be including White Supremists in your "flag wavers" total because those people's message is pretty obvious. Intolerance and hate.
2) How do non-white supremisits who are confederate flag wavers stand by the explanation "Southern Pride and to honor the memories of their ancestors who served under that flag during the Civil War"? These ancestors where some of the most unpatriotic people. Not only did they not respect the American flag, they killed those that fought to preserve it. In fact these ancestors that fought in the civil war killed more AMERICAN Military personnel then any other foreign body.
Not to mention the whole slavery part.
1) You must not be including White Supremists in your "flag wavers" total because those people's message is pretty obvious. Intolerance and hate.
2) How do non-white supremisits who are confederate flag wavers stand by the explanation "Southern Pride and to honor the memories of their ancestors who served under that flag during the Civil War"? These ancestors where some of the most unpatriotic people. Not only did they not respect the American flag, they killed those that fought to preserve it. In fact these ancestors that fought in the civil war killed more AMERICAN Military personnel then any other foreign body.
Not to mention the whole slavery part.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:58 am to kingbob
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Those on the outside see them as being racists supporting slavery and treason while trying to intimidate black people.
It's either this or they're ignorant. It's relatively unimportant which is correct.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 6:49 am to kingbob
This is definitely a fair thread with some solid points.
This may be true but the problem is that quite a few bad actors on the kneelers side have completely distorted the message they were trying to convey and completely destroyed the good faith a lot of them had.
True as well.
I supported and still do support keeping the flag up there but I'm not losing any sleep on it as it has no effect on my life other than a few shake my head at SJWs losing their shite over the flag.
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Kneelers are trying to make a statement about institutional racism in the justice system, but those who view the protest see it as as insult to soldiers and first responders. They see it as those players calling the entire country and those who died to protect it as racist.
This may be true but the problem is that quite a few bad actors on the kneelers side have completely distorted the message they were trying to convey and completely destroyed the good faith a lot of them had.
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Those who wave the confederate flag do so to show Southern Pride and to honor the memories of their ancestors who served under that flag during the Civil War. Those on the outside see them as being racists supporting slavery and treason while trying to intimidate black people.
True as well.
I supported and still do support keeping the flag up there but I'm not losing any sleep on it as it has no effect on my life other than a few shake my head at SJWs losing their shite over the flag.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 7:17 am to kingbob
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What kneelers and confederate flag waivers have in common
They suck
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:24 am to kingbob
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 11:08 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:11 am to kingbob
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Those who wave the confederate flag do so to show Southern Pride and to honor the memories of their ancestors who served under that flag during the Civil War. Those on the outside see them as being racists supporting slavery and treason while trying to intimidate black people.
While there is not a 100% correlation between racists and confederate flag wavers, its non zero. And probably closer to 100% than 0%.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:26 am to kingbob
They both disrespect America.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:57 pm to kingbob
So what you're saying is that If someone yells"fire in a crowed movie theater, then the they should bear some results of the outcome from the panic that ensues?
Todays generation is NOT about accountability at all!
Todays generation is NOT about accountability at all!
Posted on 10/10/17 at 7:47 pm to kingbob
Outstanding post
For the record, I despise both kneelers and confederacy apologists' causes.
For the record, I despise both kneelers and confederacy apologists' causes.
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