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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:02 pm to DownSouthDave
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:02 pm to DownSouthDave
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I'm not an expert, but there are several ways to get an AR to fire rapidly, one of which is a bump stock.
Making it illegal still doesn't take away someone's ability to rapid fire a weapon. You can still bump fire a weapon without the stock. Like mentioned in another thread, you can have a trigger crank or an echo trigger or even a lightning link. There are probably others...
And you can make all of those things illegal/controlled. Hell, you could basically put together a law that affects anything that effectively creates a fully-automatic firing capability. We have to have some common sense.
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:06 pm to Jester
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We have to have some common sense.
I have common sense, don't fricking kill people.
You're trying to regulate uncommon people. You can replicate fully automatic fire with a few simple pieces. Anyone can do it.
Not to mention, if you're firing into something the size of a crowd, you can burn through a mag in the same amount of time with no assistance.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:09 pm to Jester
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And you can make all of those things illegal/controlled.
Murder is illegal, by your logic we should therefore live in a murder free world. Evil folks will find a way.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:10 pm to redneck
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gun nuts are just as bad as the people who want to ban all guns IMO
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That doesn't check out. What am I missing?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:13 pm to Jester
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Hell, you could basically put together a law that affects anything that effectively creates a fully-automatic firing capability. We have to have some common sense.
You can't ban knowledge or uninvent the gun. The information for making a wide variety of guns fully automatic, making bombs, making silencers, renting trucks, etc. is out there for those that seek it. "Bump firing" doesn't require a special stock. Firearms are regulated and murder is illegal. Anyone can buy a cheap benchtop mill for under 1K, make a plastic mold or 3d print a part. At thr bottom of your slipery slope is regulating the purchase of raw materials such as aluminum, steel and plastic. But even then, I'll just melt down coke cans.
ETA: I'd like to see some evidence that using a bump fire stock to increase the semi auto fire rate actually increased the carnage vs. semi auto fire at a lower rate. Coming from someone who actually owns machine guns, I would be willing to bet there would have been more casualties and less injury with more controlled fire.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:23 pm to baldona
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What is the capacity on those mags he has?
I saw several PMAgs at 30 and the steel mag in the slide fire AR he had looks to be a 60
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:25 pm to NYCAuburn
They're either 60 or 100 rounders.
Can't really tell for sure
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:31 pm to upgrayedd
They are 100 rounders.
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60
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This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:42 pm to Propagandalf
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I'd like to see some evidence that using a bump fire stock to increase the semi auto fire rate actually increased the carnage
For one thing I will say, is in a short amount of time it gives your fingers more time to get tired.
I've never tried to shoot 1000 rounds semi auto in under 30 minutes, but I gotta feel like you'd get finger fatigue at some point? A bump fire stock would allow you to shoot a lot more before fatigue set in.
I agree that ingenuity and redneck engineering will always be out there. I'm just not sure we should then make them readily available for retail.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 4:00 pm to baldona
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A bump fire stock would allow you to shoot a lot more before fatigue set in.
You're still pulling the trigger 1000 times with a bump fire stock which also requires control over your support arm to make sure you are constantly pulling forward at the exact right amount of force to get the bump fire effect adding a whole other element to factor in besides finger fatigue.
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I'm just not sure we should then make them readily available for retail.
You do not need any special stock or other addons to bump fire a firearm. From a statistical standpoint, an instance of 1 is not substantial and should not be the basis for decision making.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 4:26 pm to Jester
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And you can make all of those things illegal/controlled. Hell, you could basically put together a law that affects anything that effectively creates a fully-automatic firing capability. We have to have some common sense.
Or we could just make it illegal to kill people.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 4:39 pm to Jack Daniel
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What exactly are they good for?
protecting your freedom from those that would try to take it from you...
2A was put into the Bill of Rights in case one day, we as a people would have to take back our country from a government out of control infringing on our freedoms...
Think about the fact that they made this the second...not the tenth amendment...it may not have been the first amendment but #2 is pretty high on the list of priorities of our founding fathers.
IMHO we as a free people in order to remain free, need to be able to defend ourselves using whatever our military may one day use against us.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:05 pm to choupiquesushi
You are not a real true second amendment guy
The liberals and others want the full mile on guns but will start with a foot first.
Real true second amendment people will not give an inch or any concessions
You do realize the largest portion of gun violence and deaths are from evil/mental people with a hand gun
The liberals and others want the full mile on guns but will start with a foot first.
Real true second amendment people will not give an inch or any concessions
You do realize the largest portion of gun violence and deaths are from evil/mental people with a hand gun
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:10 pm to Bow08tie
And the majority of deaths are suicides. They always include the suicide numbers in their gun death body count talking points.
As if someone who wants to take their life is going to not do it because they dont have a gun.
As if someone who wants to take their life is going to not do it because they dont have a gun.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:17 pm to rattlebucket
Ya, like 66% of gun deaths are suicides. Its not a very good statistic.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:40 pm to Jester
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What is the capacity on those mags he has? The one spot in his room he looks to have 15 of them or so stacked up, I'm assuming those are all unused too as they are nice and organized. I thought someone said 60 round mags?
If he was as prepared as he clearly seems to have been, he probably used started with his highest capacity mags first. If you listen to the gunfire in the video, he definitely had some capacity in the mags.
Those look like Surefire 60 rounders.
ETA: On second thought, jdavid1 is correct, those are the larger 100 rounders.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:35 pm to Pepperidge
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IMHO we as a free people in order to remain free, need to be able to defend ourselves using whatever our military may one day use against us.
IMHO this just isn't a valid argument. I'm all for owning guns for hunting, sport shooting and for personal defense against a criminal element. I do not believe it is wise for a civilian to be allowed to possess the same firepower as our military. For starters, I don't believe we will ever have to defend ourselves against our own military. But for the sake of argument, if we ever were to find ourselves in a conflict with our own military, an AR will not stop what they will bring to the fight. They know that. You're not going to win that bluff.
So where do you draw the line? It's a slippery slope. I really like my guns, but I sometimes think the more we arm ourselves, the more we endanger our 2nd amendment rights. I'm more than comfortable with shotguns and hunting rifles. I don't need an RPG to make me feel safe from my own government. And that's what it will take, and more, if that scenario ever were to happen.
I also want to go on record as saying I don't believe in the Zombie Apocalypse. For that reason I don't own an "assault rifle" and 5000 rounds of ammo. I have shot ARs and it is without a doubt the coolest, most fun shooting gun I have ever had in my hands. But I can't bring myself to buy one. I don't fault anyone for owning one. They are legal to own. I just wonder where owning one takes some people's thought processes. So it's just a personal choice of mine.
We all know our government does put a lot of effort into knowing what the citizens of this country are thinking. And don't for a minute think Conservatives are our friends. They are people just like us. They react to perceived threats just as we do. The only difference is that they have the money and resources to trump (no pun intended) whatever card we play. That's just a fact. So maybe backing off the Rambo rhetoric might be the smart move on our part. We DO have the power to bring about an alternate reality through our thoughts, words and actions. The present reality may look like it sucks to some people. Believe me, life in this country is a cake walk for the vast majority of us. Let's don't screw it up.
Again, Just my opinion. You can blast me for it, as I'm sure some will. I'm just an old fart that remembers a saner time and believes cool heads and better judgement is what will "make this country great again".
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:54 am to choupiquesushi
No he wasn't.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:53 am to Ace Midnight
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gun nuts are just as bad as the people who want to ban all guns IMO
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redneck
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That doesn't check out. What am I missing?
I have shotgun/rifles for the types of hunting I enjoy and the wife and I each have a pistol for self defense. I don't collect guns just to pop off ammo or let them collect dust. Nothing against people that do, just not my thing
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:29 am to Tigerhead
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an AR will not stop what they will bring to the fight. They know that. You're not going to win that bluff.
Have you paid any attention to Iraq and Afghanistan? Not saying that we lost/are losing, but they are doing a mighty fine job giving us some fits with their Ak47s against all of our state of the art equipment.
You can draw the line where ever you desire, but a ban on bumpstocks (which this thread is about) would not have resulted in any less carnage that if he didn't have one. He had the time, firepower and desire to do as much damage as he did if he was using only 10 round magazines. He was literally shooting fish in a barrel.
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