re: Finally watched Star Wars......My lord

I'm not a big Star Wars guy either. I did enjoy the original movies, but I was never real big into it like Batman, Superman, or most comic movies.

I really enjoyed this movie. I thought the movie did a great job feeding nostalgia. Although I was never a giant Star Wars fan, everyone remembers Han Solo, Chewy, and the Mill Falcon. They did a great job incorporating those things into a new story, IMO. It had very funny moments balanced with well needed seriousness. I felt like they gave us an introduction to some very deep new characters.

As far as it having a similar plot to the original? OK. That's your opinion. There were some similarities, but for me, the movie was different enough. It would make sense for me that the bad guys would have a similar goal now as they had in the past.

The important things to me for this movie were 1)It had to be fun. We needed fun new characters who have good chemistry and great dialogue. They had to work well together on screen. Like the original characters. Check 2)Great visuals and score. Check. 3) Nostalgia feels. Check. I think that they not only got these things right, but fricking nailed it. So, I enjoyed it immensely for those reasons.

I will say that I as well was not impressed and disappointed by the villain. I understand and I think they achieved what they were going for. They wanted a dorky looking guy who has an inferiority complex. I think it was their way to try to establish something new and different from the iconic Darth Vader. They could have achieved this with someone who just works better on screen in that setting. I just feel they went a little too far with it. From the guy they cast to his WAY overreacting outburst. I just think they could have cast better and toned him down a little. At first I thought I had a problem with Ren taking his mask off too early in the movie, then I realized I just had a problem with who they cast overall. I think it could have worked better overall with someone different. I just wasn't a fan of the final product of Kylo Ren.

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the Finn character was god awful

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Such a good and well thought out response, then you go here and show your pretentiousness:

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The gripe about Kylo Ren just makes me think you're a little stupid and need things to be painted for you in black and white.

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I explained in a post further down why I didn't like his character. It's not simply because he's a whiny bitch, but the lack of a true powerful villain he puts off.

Never did he seem like a force (no pun intended) to be reckoned with.

I get the "he's still learning", "he's conflicted", factors, but they could have been portrayed in a way that didn't make him seem useless.

Lol the Kylo knighting is still strong. Guy was a shitty character and made the movie much worse. All you have to do is watch the undercover boss SNL skit to realize how shite that character was.....

I always see these threads and thank god I'm not a fricking cinema snob. Why would you go into a movie knowing you will nitpick? Sounds miserable.

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That and him saying that a great villain has to be black and white evil.

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Where did I say that?

Actually I said the opposite, I said they should've played MORE to his conflicting view.

I'm fine with us having opposing views on the matter, but don't come here being all pretentious and making shite up. That's a shitty and lazy way to debate.

frick you dude.

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You never got a sense that he was this evil unstoppable villain, which is really what villains are supposed to elicit in you.

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Did you miss the part when they slaughtered an entire village of innocent people? Or he murdered his own dad?

Every villain has to be an absolutely evil 100% undefeatbale force of nature? That's sounds terrible.

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let's not act like The force awakens dialogue was any worse. The only Star Wars movie with good dialogue was Empire.

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How old are you?

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I explained in a post further down why I didn't like his character. It's not simply because he's a whiny bitch, but the lack of a true powerful villain he puts off.

Never did he seem like a force (no pun intended) to be reckoned with.

I get the "he's still learning", "he's conflicted", factors, but they could have been portrayed in a way that didn't make him seem useless.

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Yet you you complained of the play being too similar to the first, but wanted the villain to be the same as Vader?

My point was you could not "handle" a nuanced villain. He was a "kid" playing dress up. Trying desperately to be something he's not or wasn't raised to be. Trying to live up to a ghost he's never met.