re: Finally watched Star Wars......My lord

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He was wearing armor and was barely bleeding

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In the first 18 seconds of that clip he's bleeding through his clothes into the snow. Then he bitches Rey, the he bitches Finn, then he makes a big deal about how much it hurt and obviously it gets worse as he fights.

He was spurting blood into the snow. And the shot went through the armor. A force like that would've rattled his internal organs.

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He is a trained swordsman and should be a master at the art. H

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You made that up right?

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This would have been like Luke defeating Vader in the first movie before he ever got any training from Obi Wan or Yoda

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Vader was a trained Jedi, a trained Sith Lord, and had years hunting down people also trained and killing them to sharpen his skills.

Kylo was not anywhere near the level of Vader. In fact, the writers made sure you know this when they specifically put a scene about him needing to compete his training into the movie at the end.

I swear some of you criticizing the movie either didn't watch the movie or are too caught up in what you hoped the plot and characters would be you didn't even pay attention to the actual movie.

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You made that up right?

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Dude, here is the canon history of Kylo Ren (LINK ). After reading it, tell me that he was not a trained swordsmen. Or how can he destroy the new jedi order, burn it to the ground and then join the Knights of Ren, if he wasn't a Knight or on that level?

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Kylo was not anywhere near the level of Vader. In fact, the writers made sure you know this when they specifically put a scene about him needing to compete his training into the movie at the end.

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Of course he wasn't. He was young and torn in-between two sides. But he should have been years advanced of Rey. That was my comparison, a guy trained for decades by both sides of the force against someone that just discovered it the day before.

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written for the modern day twentysomething and younger.

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waaaayy younger.

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Adam Driver - 32
Oscar Isaac - 37
Domhnall Gleeson - 33
Doesn't matter how old they actually are. They're supposed to look younger, and do.

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And the young cast of Star Wars was supposed to look older, Han and Leia, bunch of older commanders and Jedis...only Luke was purposefully cast as a green horn...remember "too short to be a storm trooper" that was also code for too young.

Now the entire galaxy is too short and too young.

Which is fine. I understand Hollywood has realized only teenagers really pay their meal ticket...so they want to have people in films who look and act like teenagers...and not adults.

THat's just economics.

But it's not good movie-making. Lucas made the original Star Wars for everyone. THere wasn't this focus group and numbers that told him to target, A, B, C.

I think Star Wars actually escaped a fate that was better than Star Trek...which, I was never a Trekkie but I can't imagine anyone growing up in the 70's/80's/90's watching re-runs and can look at Abrams Star Trek and simply think of a giant douchebag created cartoon. It's freakin' Scooby-Doo...look at the plots, Star Trek is now Scooby-doo. There's no seriousness, there's no attempt at science, it's comical quips, 90210 cast, fast action sequences, lens flares and the mystery to solve...Scooby-Doo.

I would be furious if I was ever a Trekkie and I would be furious as a Star Wars fan with TFA...because you can see the franchise going that bubble-gum pop way.

My only complaint/hope is that Poe plays a larger role going forward. He's very Solo-esque and will fill that void nicely.