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re: What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:25 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:25 pm to OMLandshark
Baby kicking = rape
Vomit = rape
Diet change = rape
Ok let's deal.
Whenever you hear 'taxes = theft', not one word.
Vomit = rape
Diet change = rape
Ok let's deal.
Whenever you hear 'taxes = theft', not one word.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:26 pm to FooManChoo
I fundamentally disagree with your position and think it is cold and callous, and I'm sure you feel the same way about mine.
This is why I hesitate to engage in the abortion debate. There is no middle ground.
This is why I hesitate to engage in the abortion debate. There is no middle ground.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:28 pm to OMLandshark
quote:The rapist should be arrested and put in prison (at the very least). The OP didn't ask what we should do about the rapist. I'm sure even the "fundamentalists" will agree that rape is evil and should be punished. The topic was about the mother and child.
Yeah, he just runs off and rapes more women while the woman gets left with the bill. I love the hypocrisy of the fundamentalists.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:30 pm to FooManChoo
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Life isn't fair. The "punishment" of the mother is emotional. I don't want to downplay the harm to her psyche, but in my mind, her emotional comfort does not outweigh the life of the child. The woman is going to be "punished" with that emotional baggage the rest of her life, regardless of whether or not the child is born.
That kid was conceived out of an evil act. It should have never been there. You are so self righteous that, while I hope this never happens to a loved one of yours, I guarantee that you'd change your tune really quickly if this ever happened to you. It's easy to be self righteous behind your glass house, but when it comes crashing down around you, you'd join most sane people in thinking forcing a woman to give birth to her rapist's baby is just downright fricked up. If you would still force your hypothetical daughter to give birth to the kid, then you're a horrible human being.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:31 pm to boosiebadazz
Most women who have abortions go on to have happy, healthy lives and some even go on to have families of their own.
It's only religious propaganda that makes it seem that women who have abortions are damaged goods. I'm pretty sure that there are many women as well who have had abortions but don't tell anyone for fear of being judged.
Abortion doesn't destroy a woman. Forcing a woman to carry a child against her will just might though.
It's only religious propaganda that makes it seem that women who have abortions are damaged goods. I'm pretty sure that there are many women as well who have had abortions but don't tell anyone for fear of being judged.
Abortion doesn't destroy a woman. Forcing a woman to carry a child against her will just might though.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:31 pm to TrueTiger
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Whenever you hear 'taxes = theft', not one word.
Without taxes, the world falls apart, so shitty analogy.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:35 pm to OMLandshark
How ridiculous is it to go from the rape of a woman to taxes?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:38 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:I know it sounds cold and callous. I could say the same thing about those who invest their emotions 100% in the mother while supporting the killing of the unborn child.
I fundamentally disagree with your position and think it is cold and callous, and I'm sure you feel the same way about mine.
This is why I hesitate to engage in the abortion debate. There is no middle ground.
The problem is that if you don't agree with abortion, you somehow want the mother to feel bad or you relish the idea of her being emotionally or psychologically damaged from it. Usually the opposite is true.
It's a terrible situation, but evil exists in our world and we have to deal with it as best as possible. I think rape is evil, but I also think abortion is also evil in most cases, including rape.
It isn't callous to think that the child should have a chance at life, just because it was the result of a traumatic event. I can feel empathy towards the mother while desiring that she keep the child.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:44 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Not self righteous at all. I'm as big of a sinner as anyone else, if not more so. I just hold to a certain standard and that standard is still a standard regardless of how it makes me feel. I would not change my tune because my opinion is based on a principle, not an emotion.
That kid was conceived out of an evil act. It should have never been there. You are so self righteous that, while I hope this never happens to a loved one of yours, I guarantee that you'd change your tune really quickly if this ever happened to you.
quote:Who is being self righteous, here? Apparently if I don't hold the same moral standard as you when it comes to abortion, I'm a horrible human being.
It's easy to be self righteous behind your glass house, but when it comes crashing down around you, you'd join most sane people in thinking forcing a woman to give birth to her rapist's baby is just downright fricked up. If you would still force your hypothetical daughter to give birth to the kid, then you're a horrible human being.
Perhaps you should stop letting your emotions lead you through life.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:50 pm to FooManChoo
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Who is being self righteous, here? Apparently if I don't hold the same moral standard as you when it comes to abortion, I'm a horrible human being.
Here is pure logic.
Why should anyone have to follow your principles if they don't want to?
Do you support laws that limit abortion freedoms? There is no logical reason for this.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:55 pm to FooManChoo
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I know it sounds cold and callous.
Well, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
quote:
I could say the same thing about those who invest their emotions 100% in the mother while supporting the killing of the unborn child.
No you can't, since that child was conceived under an act of pure evil. That child by no sane person's mind should have ever been conceived. It does not deserve to see the light of day. I can see the argument when two idiots are fricking around and don't use protection and this happens, but no matter how you dice it with a rape, it's evil to let that child see the light of day. In its most basic form, what you're proposing is that God wanted that girl to get raped in order to conceive this child, to do who knows what holy plan for him. Basically for me, that proposes that God is evil and will let monstrous things happen just for the sake of procreation. I think God is a bit more humane than that and is understanding that this woman is in a traumatic and horrible situation, and she made due with the best option available to her, which is most certainly an abortion.
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The problem is that if you don't agree with abortion, you somehow want the mother to feel bad or you relish the idea of her being emotionally or psychologically damaged from it. Usually the opposite is true.
frick you
quote:
It isn't callous to think that the child should have a chance at life, just because it was the result of a traumatic event. I can feel empathy towards the mother while desiring that she keep the child.
You are so delusional it makes me sick.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:00 pm to mahdragonz
quote:I think everyone should follow the same principles that I follow because I believe those principles are morally right and ultimately beneficial to humanity. Pretty much the same reason why anyone holds to a particular ideology and why they promote it.
Why should anyone have to follow your principles if they don't want to?
quote:I do. I believe that abortion for convenience is just as wrong as killing a coworker who is in line for the position you want, or shooting someone in the face because you are annoyed by them.
Do you support laws that limit abortion freedoms? There is no logical reason for this.
Not sure why that's illogical, though.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:01 pm to genuineLSUtiger
That might be a top ten stupid post.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:01 pm to FooManChoo
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Who is being self righteous,
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Perhaps you should stop letting your emotions lead you through life.
I let both logic and emotion guide my life. In fact I think its a good thing that I let emotion guide my life since it assists me in telling me which acts are monstrous and which aren't. You have no emotional or logical guidance in your life since you follow a 2000-3000 year old book and your snake oil salesman of a Baptist preacher tell blindly and without question or emotion. You are a drone, and an appallingly ignorant drone at that.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:07 pm to FooManChoo
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I think everyone should follow the same principles that I follow because I believe those principles are morally right and ultimately beneficial to humanity.
Oh self righteousness. Let's look this up in the dictionary:
quote:
having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior.
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Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, and holier-than-thou attitudes) is a feeling or display of (usually smug) moral superiority derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person. Self-righteous individuals are often intolerant of the opinions and behaviors of others.
Ok, please read back your quote about 10 times and really take it in on how self righteous you are. You are trying to take over society and turn it into a theocracy. You are no better than Islamic extremists. Sure you may not have ever taken a life, but I'd bet serious cash if you were born in a goat pin in Afghanistan, you'd gladly strap a suicide vest to your chest and bomb a local girl's school.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:11 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Don't care. This is a discussion forum, not a rape victims hotline. Doing what is right and what feels good are often two different things. You can be as comforting as you'd like to the mother without agreeing with the decision to kill the child.
Well, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
quote:There's a lot wrong with this paragraph, but I'll keep it simple: your entire premise is based on the notion that the circumstances around the conception of a child outweigh the existence of the child after it has been conceived.
No you can't, since that child was conceived under an act of pure evil. That child by no sane person's mind should have ever been conceived. It does not deserve to see the light of day. I can see the argument when two idiots are fricking around and don't use protection and this happens, but no matter how you dice it with a rape, it's evil to let that child see the light of day. In its most basic form, what you're proposing is that God wanted that girl to get raped in order to conceive this child, to do who knows what holy plan for him. Basically for me, that proposes that God is evil and will let monstrous things happen just for the sake of procreation. I think God is a bit more humane than that and is understanding that this woman is in a traumatic and horrible situation, and she made due with the best option available to her, which is most certainly an abortion.
When it's all boiled down, conception happens because a sperm is implanted in an egg. The context around how that happens is irreverent in terms of judging the relevancy of the child, in my opinion.
quote:Looks like I was right about that emotion thing with you.
frick you
quote:You are so delusional and callous about the unborn child and it makes me sick.
You are so delusional it makes me sick.
See? I can play that game, too. It's not an argument, though.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:15 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Except what is "monstrous" to you is not "monstrous" to someone else, because you are admitting that your perception of what is "monstrous" is based on your emotions, which are subjective and vary from everyone else. PETA thinks it is monstrous to eat meat, but boy do I like a tender, juicy steak. Guess I'm a monster.
I let both logic and emotion guide my life. In fact I think its a good thing that I let emotion guide my life since it assists me in telling me which acts are monstrous and which aren't.
quote:You clearly know me so well.
You have no emotional or logical guidance in your life since you follow a 2000-3000 year old book and your snake oil salesman of a Baptist preacher tell blindly and without question or emotion. You are a drone, and an appallingly ignorant drone at that.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:18 pm to FooManChoo
So logically and statically a woman is more likely to die from childbirth than having an abortion.
If a woman wants an abortion, what is the logical reason for her to risk death if she doesn't want to?
If a woman wants an abortion, what is the logical reason for her to risk death if she doesn't want to?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:33 pm to FooManChoo
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There's a lot wrong with this paragraph, but I'll keep it simple: your entire premise is based on the notion that the circumstances around the conception of a child outweigh the existence of the child after it has been conceived.
No, there's nothing wrong with it, because it leaves one of two options: either God is evil or he is significantly morally flawed. That is to say, if you're right, then God is not worthy of being worshipped.
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Looks like I was right about that emotion thing with you.
You say that like being an emotional being is a bad thing. Better than being an idiotic drone who only deals in a world of absolutes and not able to see anything in between.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:35 pm to FooManChoo
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Except what is "monstrous" to you is not "monstrous" to someone else, because you are admitting that your perception of what is "monstrous" is based on your emotions, which are subjective and vary from everyone else. PETA thinks it is monstrous to eat meat, but boy do I like a tender, juicy steak. Guess I'm a monster.
Let's do a poll here: does a woman deserve to be raped in order to conceive a child? You say yes, I say no. Anyone else think that women deserve to get raped in the name of The Lord?
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