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re: ESPN radio- trying to destroy CFB
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:49 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:49 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
It's a free country. If a company wants to prevent 18 year old kids from playing in its league, then they have the right to do so
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:51 am to SabiDojo
Those are just two professions that people relate to well.
The point is that just about every profession has barriers to entry that exist for a number of reasons. Just as Clowney wants to make money, people on the other side of that barrier have their financial reasons for making him follow the three year rule.
It's really not that difficult to figure out.
The point is that just about every profession has barriers to entry that exist for a number of reasons. Just as Clowney wants to make money, people on the other side of that barrier have their financial reasons for making him follow the three year rule.
It's really not that difficult to figure out.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:51 am to nelatf
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It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
Motherfricking this
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:51 am to Scoob
Tl; dr version:
You're selfish.
You're selfish.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:53 am to quail man
Exactly. And that company and its employees have financial incentives not to have 18 year olds in their league.
Now, if the NFL had a farm system that wasn't college ball, then I would be on the side of letting guys go pro at 18.
But they don't because there is no economic reason for then to do so.
Now, if the NFL had a farm system that wasn't college ball, then I would be on the side of letting guys go pro at 18.
But they don't because there is no economic reason for then to do so.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:54 am to Sophandros
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The point is that just about every profession has barriers to entry that exist for a number of reasons. Just as Clowney wants to make money, people on the other side of that barrier have their financial reasons for making him follow the three year rule.
You are assuming that barriers, for any reason, are justified? That is rather ignorant.
quote:
It's really not that difficult to figure out.
You use a completely irrelevant and erroneous analogy, and you question my intelligence?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:58 am to SabiDojo
Those barriers are economically justified.
And just because you don't understand an analogy doesn't make it a poor analogy.
Doctors and lawyers are just two of the many professions who establish barriers to entry in order to ensure that the most talented individuals enter their professions AND to ensure that their salaries are maximized.
Just like the NFL. Neither the owners nor the players want an over saturated talent pool because that diminishes the overall quality of the league, which reduces revenue.
And just because you don't understand an analogy doesn't make it a poor analogy.
Doctors and lawyers are just two of the many professions who establish barriers to entry in order to ensure that the most talented individuals enter their professions AND to ensure that their salaries are maximized.
Just like the NFL. Neither the owners nor the players want an over saturated talent pool because that diminishes the overall quality of the league, which reduces revenue.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:58 am to SabiDojo
The age limit is arbitrary - and in collusion with CFB - and the "free" farm system the NFL enjoys compared to MLB. It's a quid-pro-quo b.s. system that we all allow and swallow b/c HEY, we like it and are selfish bastards.
Market forces would dictate Clowney being taken any time he declares...pure and simple. It's completely for the benefit of colleges and the NFL - and public college to boot - this collusion isn't simply a private organization acting on its own.
Market forces would dictate Clowney being taken any time he declares...pure and simple. It's completely for the benefit of colleges and the NFL - and public college to boot - this collusion isn't simply a private organization acting on its own.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:59 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
To the same point, the NFL also reserves the right to run it's league how it sees fit. Having a mass amount of 18 year old kids going straight from high school to the NFL will hurt both college football and the brand of the NFL.
People using the NBA as a comparison don't know sports and shouldn't have their own radio show. It's not even close to being the same.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 10:00 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:01 am to Zamoro10
Yep. We haven't really talked much about how much the colleges benefit from the virtually free labor they're getting from these guys.
IMO, the real solution is to pay college athletes. Let the system be an honest one instead of this mockery of amateurism.
IMO, the real solution is to pay college athletes. Let the system be an honest one instead of this mockery of amateurism.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:02 am to shel311
quote:I get it, and I get that Clowney gets to speak to Lattimore every day and is reminded of the risk of continued college play. Life was damn cruel to Lattimore and I'd love to see him somehow overcome his latest injuries.
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But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich
But here's the problem, this isn't a bout you, this is about a kid like Clowney. If you're sitting on a lottety ticket, that you completely earned by the way, you would probably also do what's best for your future, no?
quote:
Imagine, for a second, that happening to football.
imagine for a second, you were Clowney, and it should help to understand why he would do this.
If I'm Clowney and I can't get a rather large insurance policy, I would absolutely consider sitting out this season.
The system is flawed.
But- yes, it IS about me, and (most likely) you, and all the rest of us watching in the stands and on the couch. Football isn't some essential industry to advance civilization, it's entertainment. It makes money because of the quality of that entertainment, and disrupting the rules that maintain that level of quality risks the entertainment value.., and thus the income potential for all. If LSU and the rest of college football becomes a "1 and done" scene every year, I'm less invested because there's way less continuity. Any/all good players who gave me some hope for the next season, are likely gone; a good season means more players are likely going to make their riches in the NFL.
Look at boxing- not in decline due to any age issues for sure, but when I was a kid I could name any number of champs and contenders at various weight classes. Sugar Ray Leonard, Holmes, Tyson, etc... man, if I could see a premier fight somewhere I'd have went. Those guys were superstars. Go check out the attendance at the Leonard/Duran fight in the Superdome. Nowadays, I might know 2 names, probably not recognize their faces, and probably wouldn't walk across the street to see them fight for free.
Point- no marquee sport is truly immune to decline. Football is good- don't mess with it.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:03 am to dcrews
There should be a minor league football league. Kids would then be able to weigh out options. Go to college on full scholarship work around 40K each year plus a degree, or play minor league ball and make 120K a year. Right now you don't have a choice in the process. Someone should be able to make money off their talents, and if the NFL won't do it, someone else should get a league started.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:03 am to Sophandros
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The point is that just about every profession has barriers to entry that exist for a number of reasons
usually these are training/skill based
clowney's skill is "playing football" and the draft is a good barrier to entry for those who don't have the adequate skill
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:04 am to Scoob
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But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich.
BTW you are one of the most selfish and self-serving college football fans I have ever heard of.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:05 am to GhostofJackson
In order for a developmental league to work, the NFL needs to be directly involved. In my opinion, each team would have to have its own developmental team that adheres to a similar system to main team. Basically, an expanded practice squad that actually gets to play in games.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:06 am to quail man
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quote: It's a free country. If a company wants to prevent 18 year old kids from playing in its league, then they have the right to do so
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
The reasoning behind the barriers to entry for ALL professions starts with protecting those already in the profession and maximizing their revenue.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:07 am to lsuguy84
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They should be able to declare, but that doesn't mean a team has to take them
No one in the NFL is going to waste picks on a high school kid. It ain't gonna happen. They have a hard time projecting success with guys that are playing in college with 2-4 years of tape. You could change the rules all you want they just aren't going to high school kids.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:09 am to GhostofJackson
Or the NFL could sign young guys to developmental contacts and have the rights to that player for 3 years at a league minimum.
Owners won't want to expand the rosters though and theleague wants to have these guys as a household name already when entering the Draft. I do wish that more guyslike clowney would consider sitting out the last year to shake things up a bit .
Owners won't want to expand the rosters though and theleague wants to have these guys as a household name already when entering the Draft. I do wish that more guyslike clowney would consider sitting out the last year to shake things up a bit .
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:10 am to St Augustine
That's a cool idea.
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