- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: ESPN radio- trying to destroy CFB
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:57 am to Swoopin
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:57 am to Swoopin
Ok I skimmed this thread and there's a few points I want to make
1. People say they shouldn't be confined by what the fans want and should be able to pursue the money whenever they think they are ready to do so
If it wasn't for the fans they would have no avenue to pursue that money. With no fans there is no NFL (or other professional leagues), with no leagues there is no way for them to turn their skill into money. Then they would have to stop playing football or whatever sport after high school or college and get a real job like the vast majority of us.
2. College athletics are a sham pretending to be a way to further your education but in reality the schools are making money off the athletes/athletes are just using the schools as an avenue into pro sports
First off, the vast majority of athletes, even LSU football players, aren't going to play professionally.
Secondly, these guys are getting free rooms, free clothes, free food, free training, not exactly being used.
Thirdly, I went to school to get a degree and then get a job, the job I have in reality I could've got at the age of 18 and by now I would be better at it than I am at this point. But in order to get my job I had to go to school and get a degree, it was a requirement. If I had done poorly, found out I sucked at a certain subject and failed out, I wouldn't have my job. Why does that have to be so much different for these guys just because they're making millions of dollars? Why do they have the right, as some of you say, to start making money from their talents as soon as they graduate high school even though most of us don't get that same right?
1. People say they shouldn't be confined by what the fans want and should be able to pursue the money whenever they think they are ready to do so
If it wasn't for the fans they would have no avenue to pursue that money. With no fans there is no NFL (or other professional leagues), with no leagues there is no way for them to turn their skill into money. Then they would have to stop playing football or whatever sport after high school or college and get a real job like the vast majority of us.
2. College athletics are a sham pretending to be a way to further your education but in reality the schools are making money off the athletes/athletes are just using the schools as an avenue into pro sports
First off, the vast majority of athletes, even LSU football players, aren't going to play professionally.
Secondly, these guys are getting free rooms, free clothes, free food, free training, not exactly being used.
Thirdly, I went to school to get a degree and then get a job, the job I have in reality I could've got at the age of 18 and by now I would be better at it than I am at this point. But in order to get my job I had to go to school and get a degree, it was a requirement. If I had done poorly, found out I sucked at a certain subject and failed out, I wouldn't have my job. Why does that have to be so much different for these guys just because they're making millions of dollars? Why do they have the right, as some of you say, to start making money from their talents as soon as they graduate high school even though most of us don't get that same right?
1
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:39 pm to Tiger1242
but the vast majority of CFB players THINK they have a shot at the NFL, at least at the factory schools
The NFL needs a real minor league option so the dumb as rocks players (that segment of them, not all of them for sure) don't have to go through the sham. Why not require 'em to learn sheet-metal work or something to get to the NFL, makes about as much sense?
The NFL needs a real minor league option so the dumb as rocks players (that segment of them, not all of them for sure) don't have to go through the sham. Why not require 'em to learn sheet-metal work or something to get to the NFL, makes about as much sense?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:39 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
I think if you're 18 you should make a choice, College or NFL. If you wanna go to the NFL, go. But if you go to college you have to stay there until your junior year. That's how it should be. If you wanna go straight out of high school to the NFL that's your choice but if you go to college you can't just choose when to leave, players have too much power as it is.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:47 pm to gthog61
quote:
The NFL needs a real minor league option so the dumb as rocks players (that segment of them, not all of them for sure) don't have to go through the sham. Why not require 'em to learn sheet-metal work or something to get to the NFL, makes about as much sense?
But most of those guys you're talking about wouldn't even be in college if it wasn't for football. So really if they aren't good enough for the NFL at least football gave them a chance at an education. If they chose to not get one well too bad for them, but I'm sure at least a few of those guys who wouldn't be there without football have used their opportunity and got a degree and made something of themselves. And those that didn't wouldn't have anyway most likely
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:55 pm to Tiger1242
The whole problem with some people's approach is that we think our version of what's good for them is the only one that should exist.
Why not let the free market work? If a guy's ready for the NFL, let him go, and let the NFL draft him. The NFL isn't going to draft guys unless they know (or think they know) they'll contribute. So the argument that the NFL is protecting itself from temptation to take risks is silly, because their decision making should take care of that.
Look, I love college football and I personally benefit from the fact that these kids currently have no option but to be in college for three years. But that doesn't make it right for them.
Let them choose how much they appreciate the college factor and their fans. Forcing them to do one thing or another doesn't accomplish anything except fulfill our selfish fanhood desires.
Why not let the free market work? If a guy's ready for the NFL, let him go, and let the NFL draft him. The NFL isn't going to draft guys unless they know (or think they know) they'll contribute. So the argument that the NFL is protecting itself from temptation to take risks is silly, because their decision making should take care of that.
Look, I love college football and I personally benefit from the fact that these kids currently have no option but to be in college for three years. But that doesn't make it right for them.
Let them choose how much they appreciate the college factor and their fans. Forcing them to do one thing or another doesn't accomplish anything except fulfill our selfish fanhood desires.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:57 pm to Swoopin
quote:
Forcing them to do one thing or another doesn't accomplish anything except fulfill our selfish fanhood desires.
That's the thing though, the only reason they have a shot at being rich at all is because of our fan hood desires. So why shouldn't we get to satisfy them? It's not like they're in a profession that is vital to the world running; at the end of the day they're in the entertainment business. Without us they have nobody to entertain and don't get paid.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:05 pm to Tiger1242
quote:
That's the thing though, the only reason they have a shot at being rich at all is because of our fan hood desires.
NFL fanhood desires (the desires that create dollars for the players) wouldn't be affeted.
Forcing them to stop and pay their dues to a group of people who won't pay them their fair market value is simply a labor market inefficiency.
Sure, it's nice to talk about educational opportunity and welfare, but to take that point of view in this argument is simply delegating to the players what their value system should be. Let the free market reach an equilibrium on its own.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:32 pm to Scoob
I don't know who started this shite but I'm tired of hearing about it from people that don't matter. Not once has Clowney complained because he can't enter the draft this year.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:47 pm to Sophandros
quote:
It's a free country, if I want to practice medicine and law without going to school for either, I should be allowed to...
That's a stupid fricking comparison and you know it.
You need a license for those jobs ... Not for the NFL
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:05 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
By the same token, shouldn't the NFL as a private business in this so called free country be allowed to set minimum standards for entry into their league?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:09 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
That's a stupid fricking comparison and you know it.
You need a license for those jobs ... Not for the NFL
That's correct, you need a license, from the government or the government will not let you perform those jobs. There are numerous other professions where the government will not let you work without a license.
The only thing preventing 18 y/olds for playing in the NFL is a decision by the owners of the NFL teams. They also have or at least should have rights.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
This debate has gotten out of hand
actually any debate thread I see on this board that is over 3 pages is usually out of hand and good for a couple WTF laughs
actually any debate thread I see on this board that is over 3 pages is usually out of hand and good for a couple WTF laughs
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:16 pm to Scoob
So, tl;dr, you want to force a bunch of college-age adults to stay in an unprofitable and dangerous line of work (college football) instead of doing the same work in an organization (the NFL) that will actually make them superstars, literally all for your personal enjoyment.
Selfish fricks like you are why this country is so ruined right now.
Selfish fricks like you are why this country is so ruined right now.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
The only think preventing 18 y/olds for playing in the NFL is a decision by the owners of the NFL teams. They also have rights.
Down this road again huh?
The rights of the private owners do not include the right to unilaterally make that decision.
Down this road again huh?
The rights of the private owners do not include the right to unilaterally make that decision.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:24 pm to jacks40
quote:
Down this road again huh?
Yep, it's called freedom.
quote:
The rights of the private owners do not include the right to unilaterally make that decision.
Yes, I amended, to say they should for the Greg Brady lawyer types like you that don't understand a relatively simple concept.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:
Yes, I amended, to say they should for the Greg Brady lawyer types like you that don't understand a relatively simple concept.
It's simple if you want to ignore the actual situation and just talk bout what you wish it was.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:29 pm to lsutothetop
quote:
you want to force a bunch of college-age adults to stay in an unprofitable and dangerous line of work (college football) instead of doing the same work in an organization (the NFL) that will actually make them superstars
I don't care one way or the other, but the people that run the professional organization think a minimum level or experience beyond HS is better for their league and I think they should be able to set that standard.
quote:
Selfish fricks like you are why this country is so ruined right now
and it's not selfish to dictate to a private business what minimum standards they set.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
And the owners don't unilaterally decide who plays in the NFL. The active players agreed to this because it works to their advantage.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:32 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
on the surface, anyone will agree with this. But we have alcohol rules in this country for a reason.
same with the NFL. It does not serve in the best interest of the NFL to have earlier draftees. They know this, therefore they do not challenge it. Sure there are a few exceptions, like Clowney, but the teams of the NFL would lose out more often than not by hedging on too young of players and many not turning out good.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:32 pm to Scoob
You don't need to worry about it, the courts have made their position clear and the NFL loves CFB for creating ready made stars for them.
Page 6 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News