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Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:10 am to Sophandros
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Yep. We haven't really talked much about how much the colleges benefit from the virtually free labor they're getting from these guys.
I guess the hundreds of thousands of dollars they get in education, food, housing, travel, JOB EXPERIENCE for the next level where they will make insane amounts of $$$, isn't worth the harsh conditions these athletes have to endure during college...
I see the logic behind your point, but it's not like they keep these kids locked up in cages, feed them bread and water then tote them out to the arena for $$$. They are well taken care of (and that's not including the favors they get on the side for being athlete's).
I respect your opinion, but I never cared for the victimization of the college athlete as if they are being taken advantage of.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:12 am to dcrews
College athletes are today's sharecroppers.
But I like tigerinstaugustine's idea.
Expanding on it a bit: How about allowing each NFL team to sign, say, ten players per year to development contracts, where they get the rights to these guys after they finish. They can pay a stipend to these guys and the colleges still have their star players.
But I like tigerinstaugustine's idea.
Expanding on it a bit: How about allowing each NFL team to sign, say, ten players per year to development contracts, where they get the rights to these guys after they finish. They can pay a stipend to these guys and the colleges still have their star players.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 10:15 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:12 am to Sophandros
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The reasoning behind the barriers to entry for ALL professions starts with protecting those already in the profession and maximizing their revenue.
i think it's b/c organizations are too concerned with general rules. they should just create an exception mechanism for a waiver
use a 3-man panel. one player rep, one NFL rep, and one independent rep (arbitrator, sports caster, etc)
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:15 am to Scoob
I think it is selfish for people to want to force kids to go to college just because people like college sports.
I don't understand the fascination with people wanting to "save college sports". College sports are simply a means to an end.
Athletes shouldn't be forced to attend a college to play a sport just because you want their talent so that your school can beat another school.
It's ridiculous. College sports should get the leftovers of those not good enough to play elsewhere... not the first pick of athletes, as if a school has a right to an athlete's talent.
I don't understand the fascination with people wanting to "save college sports". College sports are simply a means to an end.
Athletes shouldn't be forced to attend a college to play a sport just because you want their talent so that your school can beat another school.
It's ridiculous. College sports should get the leftovers of those not good enough to play elsewhere... not the first pick of athletes, as if a school has a right to an athlete's talent.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:16 am to Sophandros
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Hockey and baseball have established minor leagues. Football, not so much.
18 year old drafted by team
practices with team
Goodell says you have to sit out a year until your physically ready to play
???
Profit!
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:20 am to PrimeTime Money
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Athletes shouldn't be forced to attend a college to play a sport just because you want their talent so that your school can beat another school.
Signing day was not too long ago. I don't recall seeing one kid with a gun to their head forced to sign anything.
The NFL doesn't want 18 year old children playing in their league. One player out of thousands could legitimately make the jump after one year of college ball and all of a sudden we need to let everyone in.
Grown men are getting knocked around like crazy and are having to miss games due to injury. An 18 year old kid would have a short career in the NFL.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:20 am to Zamoro10
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The age limit is arbitrary - and in collusion with CFB
How is it collusion if it was collectively bargained and approved by the player's union?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:21 am to Sophandros
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Those barriers are economically justified.
There are economics in everything. You are not presenting your argument well.
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And just because you don't understand an analogy doesn't make it a poor analogy.
Your analogy is an incredibly poor one.
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Doctors and lawyers are just two of the many professions who establish barriers to entry in order to ensure that the most talented individuals enter their professions AND to ensure that their salaries are maximized.
Do you really think that is the PRIMARY reason?
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Just like the NFL. Neither the owners nor the players want an over saturated talent pool because that diminishes the overall quality of the league, which reduces revenue.
This I agree with, and I acknowledge that, unfortunately, the system in place is so incredibly regulated and complex that it would be difficult and rather impractical to implement a new one.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:23 am to GhostofJackson
quote:What the hell..???
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich.
BTW you are one of the most selfish and self-serving college football fans I have ever heard of.
Hell yeah I'm selfish when it comes to watching sports. Aren't you? Isn't everyone???
Why in the hell would you NOT be? Isn't the whole point of being a fan, to selfishly want your team to win, and to thereby gain some disconnected third-party pleasure and satisfaction from it? We're not talking about watching our children in some high school swim meet to support them here, we're talking about the NFL and major college football. They charge me big money at the gate to come in, and I want my money's worth. Right now, I go because I think it's still a good value, and I like it
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:24 am to SabiDojo
Economics is the primary reason that every profession has a barrier to entry.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:24 am to dcrews
Because those guys have to go to college to get noticed. There are no other avenues.
And the MLB signs players out of high school like hot cakes. They never play right away. They go straight to the minors and work their way up. If you aren't good enough out of high school, then you can go play college ball or something else to get noticed.
I think NFL teams should be able to sign whoever they want in the world at any time, as long as the athlete is of legal age.
And the MLB signs players out of high school like hot cakes. They never play right away. They go straight to the minors and work their way up. If you aren't good enough out of high school, then you can go play college ball or something else to get noticed.
I think NFL teams should be able to sign whoever they want in the world at any time, as long as the athlete is of legal age.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:25 am to Sophandros
My thinking behind the developmental contracts was that kids could make some money if they really needed it/family really needed it and actually learn football from an nfl staff. You could have mandatory programs in place for extra film study, financial classes, life coaching, whatever. You could have themin pro strength and conditioning programs instead of college. It would actually be functional to the potential NFL player as opposed to the facade that is the "student athlete" and having them take a bunch of pointless undergrad courses and maintain a schedule.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:25 am to Scoob
How dare you not want to blow up College football so ONE player can skip his sophomore season....you are what's wrong with the world today sir.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:28 am to dcrews
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I guess the hundreds of thousands of dollars they get in education, food, housing, travel, JOB EXPERIENCE for the next level where they will make insane amounts of $$$, isn't worth the harsh conditions these athletes have to endure during college...
I see the logic behind your point, but it's not like they keep these kids locked up in cages, feed them bread and water then tote them out to the arena for $$$. They are well taken care of (and that's not including the favors they get on the side for being athlete's).
I respect your opinion, but I never cared for the victimization of the college athlete as if they are being taken advantage of.
I'd like to see a comparison to the amount of money the average scholarship costs and the amount of money a school makes off a sport. I'm sure the difference is staggering.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:28 am to dcrews
Yeah….I don't get this line of logic. OF COURSE I'm selfish for wanting these players to stay in school for three years before going to the NFL. As a die hard fan….who wouldn't be?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:28 am to dcrews
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Grown men are getting knocked around like crazy and are having to miss games due to injury. An 18 year old kid would have a short career in the NFL.
But let's have the 18 year olds knock each other around for the pleasure of the fans.
Trying to use safety of the players in a game as inherently dangerous as football to keep college kids out of the NFL doesn't make sense IMO.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:29 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
It's also a free country for a private league to establish its own rules/regulations for who can enter.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:29 am to PrimeTime Money
Would you really rather play minor league ball for 2-3 years instead of being a highly touted player on a college campus? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems college would be the way to go if you're not going to be in the NFL either way.
I would bet money that if this were the case, you'd see MAYBE a handful of kids 18-19 signed. And even then, they'd be cut soon thereafter. There are very rare instances where an 18 year old body is ready to take on players like Patrick Willis, Clay Matthews James Harrison, etc....
This country always likes to change the system to cater to the extreme minority. It isn't worth it.
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I think NFL teams should be able to sign whoever they want in the world at any time, as long as the athlete is of legal age.
I would bet money that if this were the case, you'd see MAYBE a handful of kids 18-19 signed. And even then, they'd be cut soon thereafter. There are very rare instances where an 18 year old body is ready to take on players like Patrick Willis, Clay Matthews James Harrison, etc....
This country always likes to change the system to cater to the extreme minority. It isn't worth it.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:33 am to jacks40
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But let's have the 18 year olds knock each other around for the pleasure of the fans.
Trying to use safety of the players in a game as inherently dangerous as football to keep college kids out of the NFL doesn't make sense IMO.
Victimization of players again?
Why don't we just make the NFL give $$$ to them and not have them play at all? Poor kids, they deserve it...
It makes absolute sense to talk player safety when it comes to 18-19 year old kids and the NFL.
If you think the physicality of both the NCAA and the NFL are one in the same, then I'm not sure what to tell you. An 18 year old highschool football player wouldn't last 4 games as a starter in the nfl. He isn't conditioned physically to do so....hell, most NFL players don't last that long sometimes and they are getting top notch, world class training.
To ignore science and the physical difference between an 18 year old kid and grown men in the NFL is what doesn't make sense.
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