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re: ESPN radio- trying to destroy CFB
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:35 am to St Augustine
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:35 am to St Augustine
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It would actually be functional to the potential NFL player as opposed to the facade that is the "student athlete" and having them take a bunch of pointless undergrad courses and maintain a schedule.
The lying hypocritical university president's love to maintain this facade as they swim in loads of cash generated by football merchandise sales.
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:38 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
I agree
But with that being said I think the eligibility requirements protect these kids more than they hurt them
In the history of college football there have only been a handful of true freshman that you might have considered NFL ready. And even then those are debatable.
The only ones that come to mind are Adrian Peterson and Jim Brown. Maybe a couple of other running backs.
You might have some quick defensive end/olb types that could play a few snaps in the NFL as a pass rushing specialist but you're not going to find many people capable of making an NFL roster.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:39 am to dcrews
i'd look at it this way... not having kids in the NFL helps keep some veterans in it past their prime...
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:39 am to SabiDojo
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Great comparison. However, just for argument's sake, let's look at your infallible reasoning.
We require doctors and lawyers to go to school and get special licensing because we want to protect THE PEOPLE they contract with, NOT the lawyer or the doctor themselves.
Poor argument
Do you only eat at a restaurant if the chef has attended culinary school?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:39 am to dcrews
18 year old kids wouldn't be expected to play against Patick Willis just like 18 year old kids aren't expected to hit against Justin Verlander.
MLB players are drafted out of high school because the teams want to develop them so that in a few years they will be ready. If the players aren't happy wih where they are drafted, they can go to college.
MLB players are drafted out of high school because the teams want to develop them so that in a few years they will be ready. If the players aren't happy wih where they are drafted, they can go to college.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:40 am to Powerman
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But with that being said I think the eligibility requirements protect these kids more than they hurt them
In the history of college football there have only been a handful of true freshman that you might have considered NFL ready. And even then those are debatable.
The only ones that come to mind are Adrian Peterson and Jim Brown. Maybe a couple of other running backs.
You might have some quick defensive end/olb types that could play a few snaps in the NFL as a pass rushing specialist but you're not going to find many people capable of making an NFL roster.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:42 am to dcrews
Again who is saying they expect the 18 year old to immediately come in and line up against Willis, Suggs, etc?
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 10:44 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:42 am to Scoob
quote:Scoob- i know youre great at your job and deserve a promotion, but you making more money and supporting your family doesnt mean anything to me b/c i dont know you. for my enjoyment, i think you should get a job at micky D's making $7/hr b/c i sometimes go there to eat.
I'm not opposed to somebody making a buck, in the process. But-
no, I don't really care if, say, Keke Mingo gets rich or not. Don't know him or his family. Doesn't affect me. However, I DO want LSU to win and look good. I watch them "to suit my pleasure" as you say, did before this group of players were born, and will continue long after they've all played their last games here. Also a Saints fan, and I want to see them draft great players who are ready to play and contribute. So my concerns are as a fan, not as a father or relative of the player.
Jadeveon Clowney, and for example Jeremy Hill... wow they've got the physical tools. Let's let them go pro now "and make the payday". Heck Johnny Football too, because he can't do more impressive than what he's already done, and he's certainly risking his future earnings. And then, we look at any 5-stars coming in.
Just like basketball, when you open the door, you won't see it limited to just 'super-elite' talent, because no high school kid will see himself as anything but that. So any and every kid with size and speed will at least consider it; and once that's the market, the NFL teams will start gambling to get a jump on competiton.
I doubt anybody remembers a few years ago, some basketball player; kid played at Zachary, and went to juco. Signed with LSU and never came because he had some size.. went draft instead and I think the Celtics took him 1st round. I remember the incident due to it being LSU related, and being a Celtics fan at the time. I don't believe the guy ever played. This made him some cash (hey, that's what it's all about right?), but it didn't help him get any playing time to develop his career; didn't help the Celtics or any other NBA team; and sure didn't do LSU any good. But again, the kid made a payday, so I suppose we all should be pleased with the way things worked out.
That's just not what I want football to become. I was a basketball fan then too, but that scenario played out so many times that I now have little viewing interest.
kinda ridiculous when the shoe is on the other foot, isnt it?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:43 am to PrimeTime Money
Would you rather play college ball at LSU or take 6 hour bus rides to podunk Mississippi to play the Mud Dawgs on a regular basis?
Again, we are debating a monumental change in America's biggest and favorite sports over one kid playing one more year of college ball. I'm not interested in changing something for 1% of the thousands of players coming out of high school.
Again, we are debating a monumental change in America's biggest and favorite sports over one kid playing one more year of college ball. I'm not interested in changing something for 1% of the thousands of players coming out of high school.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:43 am to Scoob
It doesn't matter what Kiper thinks. The NFL age limit was collectively bargained, so it isn't changing. At least not until the current agreement ends. And I doubt there will be a lot of support from players or owners to let teenagers into the league when that happens.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:45 am to Powerman
quote:Yes, if all restaurants and people employed have agreed to only hire those who have attended culinary school.
Do you only eat at a restaurant if the chef has attended culinary school?
there's nothing forcing these players to play in the NFL. they can go play CFL if they wish.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:47 am to Powerman
quote:i completely agree. i'll even throw in clowney as physically ready for arguments sake. thats 2 players in the last 14 years, both ranked #1 overall in their respective recruiting class that could get some snaps in the NFL out of high school. 2 out of 10s of thousands of players.
n the history of college football there have only been a handful of true freshman that you might have considered NFL ready. And even then those are debatable.
The only ones that come to mind are Adrian Peterson and Jim Brown. Maybe a couple of other running backs.
clowney is rare, but i dont see the need to rewrite the rule book for him. if he thinks his draft status cant improve, he can skip next year and train, and enter the 2014 draft when it comes. making an exception for this kid, despite his awesome talent, would be a mistake
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:48 am to Scoob
What makes you think that kid would have been better if he went to college? Celtics took a chance and it didn't pan out. No big deal.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:52 am to dcrews
Uhhh... Is this a real question? Minor League baseball > college baseball any day of the week. Players out of high school get pretty big signing bonuses, then get paid a salary, AND are already in the system, and can work their way up to the Majors.
It's not even a hard decision.
A guy who went to my high school was the 67th pick in the draft out of high school 8 years ago, and he got a $650,000 signing bonus.
It's not even a hard decision.
A guy who went to my high school was the 67th pick in the draft out of high school 8 years ago, and he got a $650,000 signing bonus.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:56 am to Scoob
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I doubt anybody remembers a few years ago, some basketball player; kid played at Zachary, and went to juco. Signed with LSU and never came because he had some size.. went draft instead and I think the Celtics took him 1st round. I remember the incident due to it being LSU related, and being a Celtics fan at the time. I don't believe the guy ever played. This made him some cash (hey, that's what it's all about right?), but it didn't help him get any playing time to develop his career; didn't help the Celtics or any other NBA team; and sure didn't do LSU any good. But again, the kid made a payday, so I suppose we all should be pleased with the way things worked out.
That's just not what I want football to become. I was a basketball fan then too, but that scenario played out so many times that I now have little viewing interest.
What about the scenario that plays out every year going the other way, where a guy who may be a top flight draft pick or just good enough to make it in the NBA, but he suffers an injury and is never the same and never makes it to the NBA?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:56 am to St Augustine
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who is saying they expect the 18 year old to immediately come in and line up against Willis, Suggs, etc
If I'm an NFL GM and I draft a kid, any kid, and pay him millions, I expect him to immediately compete against the other players in the league.
I think some of yall are forgetting that Clowney didnt really come in as a true freshman and start lighting up the competition. He needed time to adjust to the college game, he damn sure wouldnt have been ready to play in the NFL last year. He would have got destroyed.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:57 am to SabiDojo
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We require doctors and lawyers to go to school and get special licensing because we want to protect THE PEOPLE they contract with
Isn't that the exact same reason they want football players to be 3 years removed from high school?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:00 am to Scoob
It is his life and skills, his risks and rewards.
He shouldn't be confined because a bunch of overweight white guys with bad facial hair and a job as plant operator want their college team of choice to do well.
Sure, it's better for college football if these kids are required to stick around. But how can that be used to justify constraining their choices? Shouldn't they be the ones to decide how much they want to contribute to college football?
ETA: Similarly, they and their destination industry (NFL) should be the ones to determine how much development work they need, and how they go about it.
I surely appreciate that these kids are required to play CFB. But that doesn't make it "right" in a philosophical way.
He shouldn't be confined because a bunch of overweight white guys with bad facial hair and a job as plant operator want their college team of choice to do well.
Sure, it's better for college football if these kids are required to stick around. But how can that be used to justify constraining their choices? Shouldn't they be the ones to decide how much they want to contribute to college football?
ETA: Similarly, they and their destination industry (NFL) should be the ones to determine how much development work they need, and how they go about it.
I surely appreciate that these kids are required to play CFB. But that doesn't make it "right" in a philosophical way.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 11:03 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:00 am to Scoob
quote:Fair enough.
But- yes, it IS about me, and (most likely) you, and all the rest of us watching in the stands and on the couch.
As long as you acknowledge that if it were you or your kid that was in Clowney's situation, you would probably feel completely different, then that's cool, and we can agree to disagree on the other side.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:00 am to SECSolomonGrundy
And that is why you aren't a GM. If you don't scoop up a player like that, some other team will. Nobody in the Major Leagues was drafted out of high school and played in the MLB from day 1.
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