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Apparently CNN is calling it for Iran.

Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:50 pm
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
23809 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:50 pm
A humiliating defeat for Trump and the USA.

Looks like we might be speaking Iranian soon.

How do they have any viewers left???
Posted by Recognizable Poster
Geaux Tigers
Member since Mar 2026
335 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:52 pm to
Stopped reading at CNN...
Posted by facher08
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
5978 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:53 pm to
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Looks like we might be speaking Iranian soon.


Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38322 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:53 pm to
Cuck news network?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
74640 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:54 pm to
I don't know about all of that, but we do seem to have a ceasefire "agreement" that no one involved seems to have a fricking clue as to any of the particulars (not that it is a surprise......the damn Pakistanis are the architects of it). It doesn't matter anyway......it held for about fifteen minutes.
This post was edited on 4/8/26 at 5:56 pm
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25277 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:54 pm to
If Trump bombed them, he's a murderer. If he didn't, he's weak.. Everybody knew damn well this would be the mainstream media's message.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
39318 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:56 pm to
I don’t see anything on their Twitter about this

can you link or share what they actually said and who said it?
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74514 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:56 pm to
earlier this week we were told we’re headed towards nuclear WWIII…
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
3055 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:57 pm to
It's very arguable that the USA has spent a lot of money, lost a few lives, and used up a large pile of munitions to wind up in a worse position than it was in before this war of choice started.

The report from yesterday that Trump went ahead with the war despite the Vice-president, the CIA director, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs telling him it was a bad idea also indicates that this war was not well thought out to begin with.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30246 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:59 pm to
The only "win" so far is an unstable ceasefire; anyone claiming victory at this point is just wishcasting. We will get a better idea of the W or L when the actual agreements are made. The real test is how long it lasts, since given it is Iran it will not hold forever.

Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39253 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:59 pm to
I'm not sure how any person with any sense could come to this conclusion.


We can bomb them with impunity, and they barely throw up a wet tissue for defense.





Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37595 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:01 pm to
quote:

The report from yesterday that Trump went ahead with the war despite the Vice-president, the CIA director, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs telling him it was a bad idea also indicates that this war was not well thought out to begin with.


Link?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
74640 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:01 pm to
quote:

If Trump bombed them, he's a murderer. If he didn't, he's weak.. Everybody knew damn well this would be the mainstream media's message.

Both "sides" have carefully constructed win/win scenarios for themselves.

Side 1:
- Trump levels Iran he's a strong leader who says what he means and means what he says.

- Some sort of agreement is met, averting the leveling in the nick of time, Trump is a master negotiator, the greatest negotiator ever in the history of negotiators.

Side 2:
- Trump goes through with blowing the shite out of Iran and he's a mass murdering war criminal.

- Trump backs out at the last minute due to an extension or some "deal" and he's just "TACO" like always and never does what he says he will do.

The spin machine takes over from there.

This post was edited on 4/8/26 at 6:03 pm
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
3055 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

If Trump bombed them, he's a murderer. If he didn't, he's weak.. Everybody knew damn well this would be the mainstream media's message.
The argument isn't that Trump is "weak", it's that threats lose efficacy when you repeatedly fail to follow through on them.

If I publicly threatened to kill my neighbor because he let his dog poop on my lawn, one of two things will happen: Either I will actually kill him, and be known as an insane murderer, or I won't, and will be known as a blowhard who makes dramatic threats but then does nothing. The solution to this problem would be not threatening to commit genocide... er, I meant murder my neighbor in the first place.
This post was edited on 4/8/26 at 6:26 pm
Posted by PacWilly
Member since Jun 2010
580 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:05 pm to
This is a similar defeat as Vietnam but way politically worse.

Sinking boats and bombing infrastructure does not equal a victory. Victory is determined by comparing whether you are better/worse politically and economically after it's over.

We still don't know where their enriched nuclear material is (war did not achieve objective). Iran has MORE control over the strait of Hormuz than before. U.S. citizens are poorer now that fuel prices are higher. On the political stage, China/Russia look like stable allies compared to the U.S. The gulf countries now see that our bases did not prevent Iranian strikes on their infrastructure (this will have long term ramifications); The U.S. has lost credibility and standing with our allies.

Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
26767 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:07 pm to
quote:

A humiliating defeat for Trump and the USA.

Not a defeat for the USA, just Trump.

Iran doesnt have to win the war for it to be a loss for Trump.... Its a loss for him because midterms are gonna be a massacre and we arent gaining anything from fighting Israels war except maybe they wont release some blackmail on our politicians they have.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
7319 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:08 pm to
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we might be speaking Iranian soon.


Farsi
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
3055 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:09 pm to
quote:

Link?
Here

It's behind a subscription paywall.

Here's an AI summary:

The New York Times report by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan, published on April 7, 2026, provides a detailed account of significant internal dissent. It highlights that the decision to launch the offensive on February 28 was made despite strong pushback from several key figures in the intelligence and military communities.

According to the report, the following advisors raised serious concerns:

CIA Director John Ratcliffe: Ratcliffe reportedly pushed back against the "regime change" scenarios presented by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a February meeting. The Times reports that Ratcliffe used the word "farcical" to describe the idea that a US-Israeli strike would trigger a popular uprising or a quick collapse of the Iranian government.

General Dan Caine (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff): While Caine reportedly avoided taking a public stand against the president's instincts, he "repeatedly flagged risks" during planning meetings. He specifically warned that a major campaign would drastically deplete American munitions stockpiles, such as missile interceptors, which were already strained due to ongoing support for other regional allies. He also cautioned that Israel’s optimistic assessments were often "overblown."

Vice President JD Vance: The report identifies Vance as the most consistent voice of opposition within the inner circle. He warned that the conflict would be a "disaster" for the administration, citing the risk of regional chaos, soaring gasoline prices, and a "fracturing" of the political coalition that elected the president.

Intelligence Analysts: US intelligence assessments concluded that an internal uprising was "entirely unrealistic" and warned that Iran would likely retaliate by closing the Strait of Hormuz—a scenario the report says the president initially dismissed, believing Tehran would capitulate before taking such a step.

The reporting suggests that the president largely relied on his "gut feeling" and a desire for a "swift and decisive" victory, ultimately overruling these professional assessments. This friction between the White House and the "permanent state" of military and intelligence professionals has been a central theme of the coverage regarding the war's initial stages."
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
74640 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:13 pm to
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It's behind a subscription paywall.


Here is an archived link to the story
Posted by TooFyeToFly
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2012
2262 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:15 pm to
Who gives a shite what the media says either way? Make your own decision and stop blaming nebulous shite like "the media."

Our actions in Iran have been embarrassing for a country of our stature. We disrupted the entire global oil market on a rookie mistake because there are currently only yes men serving in the US government and nobody could tell our president the truth.

Nobody qualified is in currently in charge. Every new hire in the federal government was chosen for loyalty, not intelligence or qualifications.

Pray for this country for the next three years. It's going to be tough.
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