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So You Think Trump is Manipulated by Israel?

Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:03 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:03 pm
Bernard-Henri Levy had a great response in WSJ yesterday.

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The U.S., we are told with the knowing tone of those boldly revealing “open secrets,” is merely the executor—why not the auxiliary, while we’re at it?—of “Israel’s war.”

I don’t deny that the two countries have converging interests, or that their military and intelligence agencies are operating in close coordination. But that is called an alliance.

Would anyone have said that Franklin D. Roosevelt was being manipulated by Charles de Gaulle? Or that Winston Churchill—who in 1919 said Bolshevism should be strangled in its cradle—became Stalin’s puppet 22 years later? Of Alexander the Great that he acted on behalf of the Greek cities of Asia that he had freed from Persian rule? Or of the Roman Republic, during the Third Punic War, that it was acting under the orders of Massinissa, king of Numidia? The idea is absurd.

In this case—and however much it may displease conspiracy theorists—there is no mystery. Israel has one concern: neutralizing a threat that it rightly considers existential. The U.S. has its own concerns: defending its allies (Arab countries as well as Israel), weakening a strategic axis that runs from Tehran to Moscow and Beijing, and washing away the humiliation that has remained, for 47 years, like an open wound in the side of every administration since Jimmy Carter’s—the invasion of the U.S. Embassy in 1979 and holding of American hostages for more than a year.

All this follows a logic of interests that have their own consistency but could diverge in the weeks or days ahead.

To fail to understand this? To believe that a country the size of New Jersey could twist the arm of a country of 350 million, equipped with the most powerful military and the most sophisticated network of bases in history, and governed by a president of unrivaled egotism? To imagine that Donald Trump—who everyone knows never decides anything that doesn’t first serve his own interests and those of the U.S.—would have given any foreign prime minister the gift of a war of this magnitude? It is simply grotesque.

Imagine the Oval Office scene: A diffident Mr. Trump agonizes, wavers, ruminates—then makes up his mind only when his friend Bibi tells him what to do.

It took two years to prepare the Normandy landings. Six months to prepare the Gulf War in 1991. One year to prepare the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Who can imagine that the Pentagon improvised in a few days the deployment of two aircraft-carrier strike groups, the repositioning of hundreds of combat aircraft, the establishment of a refueling network 6,000 miles from its shores? The accumulation of colossal quantities of fuel and ammunition required? Not to mention the intelligence capabilities indispensable for such an operation?

Who can believe that the American president, however impulsive Mr. Trump may be, would have committed such an armada without seeing further than the tip of his nose, and that Benjamin Netanyahu would have had to explain to him, over a hamburger, the strategy and meaning of it all? The reasoning is childish.

But the more serious problem lies elsewhere. This fable revives a very old and toxic lie.

This is how people thought in the 1930s—those who saw in “the Jews” a community of conspirators pushing nations toward war, pulling the strings of catastrophe, and scheming to provoke conflicts from which they expected to profit.

In France, this was the theme of the infamous 1942 pamphlet by Lucien Rebatet, “The Ruins.” According to him, it was the “Jewish warmongers” who pushed France into war with Germany and were therefore the real architects of the ruin described in the book’s scenes of exodus, fire and apocalypse.

It was the central thread of three pamphlets by Louis-Ferdinand Céline: “Trifles for a Massacre” (1937), about the “Jewish plot”; “School for Corpses” (1938), denouncing the machine of “indoctrination” preparing peoples to fight and die “for Israel”; and “The Fine Mess” (1941), claiming that Jews had dragged France into “their war.”

In the U.S., it was the obsession of Father Charles Coughlin, who denounced in his radio broadcasts the “Jewish finance” supposedly pushing America toward confrontation with Hitler, and of Charles Lindbergh, who in his September 1941 speech in Des Moines, Iowa, opposed the first “America First” movement to the “Jewish interests” he claimed were fomenting a global conflagration.

The Jew as a warmonger is an old cliché of antisemitic propaganda. It would be wise to take that terrible poison out of circulation today.


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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:07 pm to
Yes
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:07 pm to
No, not at all.

Israel has no influence on U.S. politicians. Their influence is tantamount to the country of Andorra on U.S. foreign policy.

































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This post was edited on 3/12/26 at 1:08 pm
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:07 pm to
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Bernard-Henri Levy had a great response in WSJ yesterday


Are you gonna link or copy and paste this "great response"? I'd love to read it.
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:10 pm to
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Bernard-Henri Levy had a great response


shocker
Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:12 pm to
Of course he is.
Posted by DeltaDoc
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:16 pm to
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To believe that a country the size of New Jersey could twist the arm of a country of 350 million, equipped with the most powerful military and the most sophisticated network of bases in history, and governed by a president of unrivaled egotism?


Such a dumb analogy. A small tumor on your brain or pancreas can ultimately kill you as it compromises your system.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:17 pm to
The fact that this guy had to say all of this, means that he is indeed manipulated by Israel.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:22 pm to
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No, not at all.

Israel has no influence on U.S. politicians. Their influence is tantamount to the country of Andorra on U.S. foreign policy.


I'm not saying Israel has no influence, but Trump said many times on the campaign trail specifically about Iran that if they didn't play ball diplomatically, he'd be willing to use the military to strike them. Matter of fact, Trump has talked about bombing Iran for quite some time prior to Epic Fury. It's not like it's a new thing. He's been talking about using military options against Iran since 2017.
This post was edited on 3/12/26 at 1:26 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:24 pm to
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Are you gonna link or copy and paste this "great response"? I'd love to read it.
LINK
Posted by BTROleMisser
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Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:26 pm to
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So You Think Trump is Manipulated by Israel?


IDS Jtards gonna' IDS Jtard...
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:27 pm to
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Lévy is Jewish, and he has said that Jews ought to provide a unique Jewish moral voice in society and politics.[30] Lévy has been friends with Nicolas Sarkozy since 1983. Relations between them deteriorated during Sarkozy's 2007 presidential run in which Lévy backed the Socialist candidate Ségolène Royal and also described Sarkozy as "A man with a warrior vision of politics". However, they grew closer again after Sarkozy's victory.[79] In 2004, his fortune amounted to 150 million euros. The owner of seven companies, he inherited most of the fortune from his parents, which was complemented by stock exchange investments. In 2000 he was suspected of insider trading by the Commission des opérations de bourse.[80]
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
64650 posts
Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:31 pm to
Donald Trump has been tied to Israel literally since before he was even born, when his father was promoting Israel Bonds and building synagogues in NYC. He's been doing business with gung-ho Israel jews like the Adelsons for generations and his favorite daughter is literally married into it. Trump's mentor was also pro-Israel gay jewish lawyer Roy Cohn.

And his pardons of jewish criminals like Eli Weinstein (now back in jail), Kushner's dad and Rabbi Sholom "The Meth Messiah" Rubashkin are pretty suspect, as is his commuting the sentence of Jonathan Pollard so he could return to Israel as a hero.

There are way more ties, but hopefully that gets the point across.
Posted by theCrusher
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:31 pm to
I think they entirety of the US government is manipulated by Israel in someway. You can add "The Media" into the mix.

If you read any of the Epstein messages and read views they had of non Jews, it becomes obvious.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:33 pm to
The Trump family knows Jews! - Blueboy
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:34 pm to
Israel does have huge influence on many US politicians. Maybe a little influence on Trump too. But there’s no way Trump is doing Israel’s bidding unless it aligns with what he wants, of which there is considerable overlap.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:35 pm to
Israel has a tremendous amount of influence. But the idea that some half-cocked cowboy like Trump is doing anything purely because someone else wants him to defies MOST criticisms of Trump. This is a guy that’s faced assassins, kangaroo courts, deep state subterfuge, impeachment mobs, and eaten them all.

He’s doing this because he has had an absolute hard-on for China for decades, and saw a window with these recent uprisings in Iran. It’s as simple as that.

Trump is exactly who you always thought he was.
Posted by Jebadeb
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:37 pm to
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Would anyone have said that Franklin D. Roosevelt was being manipulated by Charles de Gaulle?


In what ways is the current situation similar? Has Israel been invaded and the government overthrown by a foreign power?
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
64650 posts
Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:37 pm to
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The Trump family knows Jews!
You're a fool if that's all you got out of that.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
5306 posts
Posted on 3/12/26 at 1:40 pm to
Tell us more, Mr Levy, about how the little old Jews in Israel couldn’t possibly be manipulating the last Boomer president.

Getting their Iran War while they still can.
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