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New libertarian talking point: “actually, only a minority of Iranians oppose the regime”

Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:19 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73771 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:19 pm
I am seeing many libertarians argue that the protests only reflect urban sentiments and that in rural areas of Iran, the people are very happy and supportive of the regime.


So dumb!
Posted by NotChexMix
9x National Champion
Member since Sep 2025
347 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:19 pm to
Sounds made up
Posted by fisherscatfan
Indianapolis
Member since Sep 2020
736 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:20 pm to
If it saves just one.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472153 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

I am seeing many libertarians argue that the protests only reflect urban sentiments and that in rural areas of Iran, the people are very happy and supportive of the regime.


So dumb!

I don't think that's a factually incorrect assessment. And all the online polling is skewed towards the young/urban.

If a "modern" or Western/Israeli regime takes over, the sectarian violence will flow from the rural areas.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
10736 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:22 pm to
Yes, yes...it there's anything we libertarians love, it's making excuses for authoritarian regimes.

Congrats on your new found bromance w/ Lindsay Graham, though.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
58756 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

I don't think that's a factually incorrect assessment. And all the online polling is skewed towards the young/urban.


Dude. You know im a fan. But this is just not true. The Persians are very proud people and want their country back. Overwhelmingly. You’re being fed propaganda. Don’t believe it.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
64590 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:25 pm to
If Trump was assassinated, many people would be dancing in the streets. Does that mean America in general supports this? No.

Same with Iran.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34171 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

And all the online polling is skewed towards the young/urban.


SFP is an Iranian polling expert now
Posted by Nurbis
Member since May 2020
2289 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

I don't think that's a factually incorrect assessment. And all the online polling is skewed towards the young/urban.


Nearly 80% of the population lives in urban areas. It may be that rural Iranians support the regime, but that is not a majority.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120398 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:28 pm to
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Sounds made up


Yeah, because the libertarians are pretty united on what the memo is: Iran is no threat to us, so we shouldn’t go to war with them regardless of what they’re doing in the Middle East.
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
8112 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:29 pm to
Probably true though.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
14259 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:30 pm to
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SFP is an Iranian polling expert now


As a general rule of thumb, just replace "Iranian polling" with... just whatever topic is being discussed.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472153 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:33 pm to
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SFP is an Iranian polling expert now

No. I just understand how the internet works. Hint: it's not in rural areas of Iran
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472153 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:34 pm to
quote:

It may be that rural Iranians support the regime, but that is not a majority.

The words I quoted did not include the word "majority" FWIW
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
9510 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

SFP is an Iranian polling expert now


Absolutely.

A true Renaissance Man of the Message Board Universe.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15033 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:53 pm to
You misspelled liebertarian
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19903 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:28 pm to
I reckon its 50/50 split along city and rural divide. Acting like every Iranian is a cosmopolitan type yearning for freedom is misleading.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73771 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:30 pm to
Baloney

It’s at best a 20/80 split for the regime
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3886 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:30 pm to
Yes. Libertarians are just liberals with enough shame to not want to be called such.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3792 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

I am seeing many libertarians argue that the protests only reflect urban sentiments and that in rural areas of Iran, the people are very happy and supportive of the regime.




this is actually true, though... but the urban people might be the majority of the population.

The revolution that ousted the Shah was middle-class urban Iranians who lived like secular Westerners and just wanted Democracy instead of a Monarchy (and they'd already deposed the Shah a couple of decades earlier...). Khomeini had been chased out of the country by the Shah, who opposed fundamentalist Islam but also didn't want anybody with a bunch of loyal followers in his turf. Khomeini and his followers then preached this "Democracy and freedom for all" ethos and co-opted the Democracy movement a bit. They watched the Democracy movement win and drive out the Shah, and how it happened... the turning point in any revolution is the point when the Police/military/security forces have to face their friends, neighbors and relatives in the streets... and they turn, and that sends defections up the command chain until the military either just steps aside or seizes control, itself. In Iran, it stood aside or fled. And once that happened, Khomeini bused in all of the people from out in the countryside who were more aligned with fundamentalist Islam (they live like they're in the 9th Century, anyway) and lots of poor males who bought the Islamicist pitch of Western secularism being evil and women stealing their natural places in society and just laid siege to the country.

There's been a constant protest ever since, and when it builds too much momentum the regime just buses in those people from the countryside to beat up and kill the protestors until it dies down, again. I lots of cities in the past few weeks, the police did step aside... but the regime's forces just murdered more and more people.

There's also ethnic and tribal divisions in Iran most people don't think about.

Unlike Syria or Iraq, where the regimes were actually minority groups within the country, Khomeini and his cadre represent the religious portion of the Persian majority.

The wrinkle in this is Iranians suspecting the U.S. wants to reinstate the Pahlavi monarchy... and that might fracture those opposed to the Khomeini regime. The Shah operated like a brutal dictator, so a lot of people do not welcome a return of his family as rulers.
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