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re: New libertarian talking point: “actually, only a minority of Iranians oppose the regime”
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The only thing worse than a libertarian is a Liberal
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Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:39 pm to BBONDS25
You don’t know that.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I am reminded…
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I haven’t seen this. The Islamic Republic has been brutal, but the Iranian people definitely don’t want another U.S./Israeli puppet. Even the original Shah’s wife (and mother of current Shah) came out today and rebuked her son, saying the U.S. shouldn’t be involved in picking the next leader. If Iraq was any indication, our presence there might actually make the population even more fundamentalist Islam. Many Iraqis turned to Shia and Muqtada Al-Sadr after Saddam fell.
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:53 pm to Lee B
If we're going to advocate for a govt,let's hope it's a Swiss model. Iran is a very diverse country.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
People in Iran are also unhappy about their water supply.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:22 pm to dalefla
Libertarians are the intelligent ones.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:24 pm to Lynxrufus2012
And their currency. Their money is worthless and poverty is everywhere. Many minds might sympathize with the doctrine, but dont like the strict adherence to it. How many Christians would like being forced to follow the 10 commandments by penalty of death or imprisonment?
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:27 pm to CoachChappy
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SFP is an Iranian polling expert now
I bet he says it in his William F. Buckley voice.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SFP is an Iranian polling expert now
No. I just understand how the internet works. Hint: it's not in rural areas of Iran ?
Wait, I thought the Iranian regime shut down the internet?
Are you referencing polling of blue haired domestic progressives?
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think that's a factually incorrect assessment.
Lulz
Persians are 57% of the Iranian population. The next largest group comes in at 14%
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:47 pm to RobbBobb
That's not even responsive to my post
Learn to read more good. Nobody was discussing ethnicities in Iran.
Point to anywhere in my post discussing ethnicities in Iran. I'll wait.
Learn to read more good. Nobody was discussing ethnicities in Iran.
Point to anywhere in my post discussing ethnicities in Iran. I'll wait.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If a "modern" or Western/Israeli regime takes over, the sectarian violence will flow from the rural areas.
Idk why people are so wrapped around the axel on this statement.
Its not false
fundamentalists love tradition. They loves deserts. The love rural. They realllly love goats This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:54 pm to Mobile Patriot
Right. Christians have forgiveness. These medieval misanthropes only have hate.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:57 pm to gaetti15
Just because Iranians don't want the current authoritarian regime doesn't mean they will accept an authoritarian regime that is a puppet of the US and Israel (or SA) over the long haul. We literally already did that with the Shah in 1953 and it was overthrown by the current regime in 1979.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:57 pm to stuntman
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Yes, yes...it there's anything we libertarians love, it's making excuses for authoritarian regimes. Congrats on your new found bromance w/ Lindsay Graham, though.
Well I’ve seen some do the mental gymnastics with illegal immigrants.
You kind of have to let them rape and murder because if not then it restricts the free movement of people.
It really depends if you are principled or not. Principled libertarians, open borders.
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 3/5/26 at 7:02 pm to dgnx6
Principled libertarians = property rights. That means boundaries are enforced. Trespassing is an act of aggression.
But, fair point that some are for open borders. Mises Caucus types, like me, see it as trespassing. Kind of like a club that the illegals aren't members of.
But, fair point that some are for open borders. Mises Caucus types, like me, see it as trespassing. Kind of like a club that the illegals aren't members of.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 7:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Probably relying on the fact that you can look at major American cities and it's easy to assume that the majority of Americans hate Trump, since all you see are boomers and green haired tackle-box faces out protesting him 24/7, but it's we'll known that rural America overwhelmingly supports Trump. It's easy to assume one thing when you're only shown one thing.
I'm not the most familiar with the Iran stuff, but I've heard pretty consistently that even the rural Persians have never been fond of the Regime. Guess I'd have to be there to conduct a poll myself, but I'll pass.
One thing I will say, is that Rand Paul has killed my opinion of libertarians. I now view them the exact same way as atheists and vegans. They're going to make you listen to their opinion, make clear that their label is their identity, and vehemently oppose any opinion that doesn't directly match their perception.
I'm not the most familiar with the Iran stuff, but I've heard pretty consistently that even the rural Persians have never been fond of the Regime. Guess I'd have to be there to conduct a poll myself, but I'll pass.
One thing I will say, is that Rand Paul has killed my opinion of libertarians. I now view them the exact same way as atheists and vegans. They're going to make you listen to their opinion, make clear that their label is their identity, and vehemently oppose any opinion that doesn't directly match their perception.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 7:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Just because Iranians don't want the current authoritarian regime doesn't mean they will accept an authoritarian regime that is a puppet of the US and Israel (or SA) over the long haul. We literally already did that with the Shah in 1953 and it was overthrown by the current regime in 1979.
We will see how it plays out. Trump says alot of things and then does different. I'll save my comments for when he actually makes a decision
Speculating over this shite is the kinda stuff that causes cancer (imagine me talking like Marty in True Detective)
Posted on 3/5/26 at 8:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think that's a factually incorrect assessment.
I do think it is incorrect. I have a coworker who is Iranian, and his parents live out in the country outside of Tehran. When this whole thing popped off I asked him about his family and if they were okay. He said yes, and that they are very happy that the Leader has been taken out. I asked if this sentiment was widespread in Iran and he said of the people he knew yes. Only people who were for the old regime were religious zealots or people who made money from the old regime.
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