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Congestion pricing in NYC appears to be a success so far
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:19 pm
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Now tell me about petty and not so petty crimes associated with increased "ridership".
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Try that in my small town
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:23 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
And they'll squander the money I'm sure. I always find it odd how they come up with % on some of these items as well.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:24 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
They forgot population: miserable
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
How many more wives are beaten because the husband has to deal with the subway?
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The cynic in me wonders how factual these numbers are.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 11:50 pm to Turbeauxdog
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They forgot population: miserable
The people I know that live in NYC(lives in Astoria but spend most of their time in the city) like it.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 11:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
They out Berlined Berlin.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:02 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Wait, you’re telling me that essentially forcing the lower income people to ride the bus while charging rich people a tax to drive in the city would increase alternative ridership???? No way!
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:10 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
It’s probably not transferable to any other (American) city, but I can see how it’s a good idea there. Driving is the worst way to get around Manhattan. Sounds like this cleared up the roads for those who really need to.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:28 am to Ruston Trombone
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It’s probably not transferable to any other (American) city,
Chicago and maybe Boston would be decent candidates. Chicago would be so much better if the drive time traffic was reduced on the 90/290/55 going in and out of the burbs.
Congestion pricing has worked well in several cities around the world. It isn't very populist/socialist but it does the job unless you are a bleeding heart.
The NYC transit system, especially the subway, is not nearly as scary between 8-6 on weekdays as some people imagine. Unless it is a line that runs from (in BR terms) Scotlandville to Brookstown during those weekday hours, a surprising number of people are in suits or business casual and carrying a briefcase or what passes as a briefcase today. I have been physically packed into cars before (not like Tokyo), but I have never felt mentally anxious during the day on a NYC subway. Vampire time is a whole different animal.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Congestion pricing is great. You can look at numbers but just living here the real difference is simply that
1) all the congestion zones are just a lot nicer without being so packed with traffic. Less horn noise and more streets closed off with dining tables.
2) If I ever have to drive, it's better to pay the fee and save an hour not sitting in a traffic jam
Wish it would have happened a long time ago. Also, the idea that many poorer people ever drove to work in Manhattan was pretty outlandish.
1) all the congestion zones are just a lot nicer without being so packed with traffic. Less horn noise and more streets closed off with dining tables.
2) If I ever have to drive, it's better to pay the fee and save an hour not sitting in a traffic jam
Wish it would have happened a long time ago. Also, the idea that many poorer people ever drove to work in Manhattan was pretty outlandish.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 2:47 am to Ruston Trombone
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It’s probably not transferable to any other (American) city, but I can see how it’s a good idea there. Driving is the worst way to get around Manhattan.
Yep, I don’t see NOLA building a subway anytime soon unless it is a restaurant that sells sandwiches.
They can’t even build an efficient regional joint transit bus system between Orleans, Jefferson, St. Tammany, and St. Bernard parishes.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:28 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
What about all the people that can't afford it, greatly inconvenienced by this?
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:03 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
This makes economic sense to me. Congested roads more or less represent excess demand for driving compared to the available “supply” (in this case, carrying capacity of the roads). Meanwhile, unused subway ridership represents an excess “supply” of that mode of transportation.
In a situation like that, you have two options: increase the supply of the more desired good and decrease the supply of the less desired good, or raise the price of the more desired good. But NYC can’t just “build more roads” due to physical limits, and at any rate, it costs money to do so. They also can’t really “offload” the excess supply of subway ridership; it’s not like they can sell the bigger subway cars and then buy smaller ones and come out ahead. Or maybe they could, but if they could figure out how to increase ridership, that would make more money.
So it makes perfect sense that they would “raise the price” via congestion pricing. And it makes sense that this would result in people substituting into the unused subway ridership.
In a situation like that, you have two options: increase the supply of the more desired good and decrease the supply of the less desired good, or raise the price of the more desired good. But NYC can’t just “build more roads” due to physical limits, and at any rate, it costs money to do so. They also can’t really “offload” the excess supply of subway ridership; it’s not like they can sell the bigger subway cars and then buy smaller ones and come out ahead. Or maybe they could, but if they could figure out how to increase ridership, that would make more money.
So it makes perfect sense that they would “raise the price” via congestion pricing. And it makes sense that this would result in people substituting into the unused subway ridership.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:17 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Wait till that commie Muslim dude gets elected
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:31 am to TigerGman
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What about all the people that can't afford it, greatly inconvenienced by this?
They take mass transit.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:32 am to Turbeauxdog
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They forgot population: miserable
As opposed to driving into the city through the midtown tunnel? Nah.
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