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WSJ Piece: China Is Secretly Worried Trump Will Win on Trade

Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:58 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:58 am
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Soon after Donald Trump won the presidential election in November, Xi Jinping asked his aides to urgently analyze the Cold War rivalry between the United States and the Soviet Union.

His concern, according to people who consult with senior Chinese officials, was that as President Trump gears up for a showdown with Beijing, China could get isolated like Moscow during that era.

He’s not wrong to worry. Even though Trump may be the one who currently looks isolated on the world stage—picking trade fights with erstwhile allies like Mexico and Canada, alarming Europe over his handling of the war in Ukraine and vowing to annex Greenland and the Panama Canal—the truth is that China doesn’t hold a strong hand.

With a domestic economy in crisis, Xi is playing defense, hoping to salvage as much as possible of a global trade system that helped pull his country out of poverty. Across the Pacific, Trump is intent on rewiring that very trading system, which he and his advisers see as having benefited the rest of the world—and China most of all—at the U.S.’s expense.


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Trump, who highlighted the need to counter China throughout his campaign, returned to the White House with a comfortable victory and Republican control of Congress. He believes he can deal with Beijing from a position of strength, advisers said.

Many of his early diplomatic moves should be viewed in that context, these people said. Trump is trying to end the conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine to better focus on China, they said. His recent enthusiastic embrace of Russia and its authoritarian leader, Vladimir Putin, is propelled in part by a strategic desire to drive a wedge between Moscow and Beijing.

“All the stuff he’s doing is so that we can put more resources” to counter China, an administration official said.

Trump on Tuesday added to existing tariffs on China, citing its role in the fentanyl crisis in the U.S., surprising Chinese officials who were still trying to figure out how to approach what they see as an erratic U.S. leader.


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What complicates Beijing’s efforts at shaping its strategy toward the U.S. is the difficulty in getting Trump’s core team to engage. China hasn’t been a primary focus for Trump in his first weeks. His near-term priorities have been on fixing illegal immigration, slashing government spending and ending Russia’s war in Ukraine.

While Xi is waiting for clarity on what the U.S. wants from Beijing, his economic team is preparing ways to hit back at Trump.


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One lesson Xi has learned from the first trade war with Trump is that China has more to lose from hitting back at Trump’s tariff hikes with proportional levy increases, the people said, as the U.S. buys substantially more from China than the other way around.

Michael Pillsbury, a China expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation who consults with the administration, said he has met with members of Chinese delegations that have visited Washington since the election. The Chinese effort amounts to a campaign to ward off tariffs, he said.

They are kind of desperate,” Pillsbury said. “Their economy is in trouble. Now that Trump put the tariffs on, they know this campaign has failed.”


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Trump’s “America First” policy essentially calls for dismantling the norms set up by the World Trade Organization since 1995. Under those norms, China has been able to flood the world with cheap exports while limiting foreign access to its own market. China’s $295 billion trade surplus with the U.S. is the widest of any U.S. trading partner.


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To re-engineer the system, Turpin said, Trump’s trade team may “focus on getting relatively favorable deals with everyone else first and let the Chinese stew in their continuing economic depression.”

The people close to the administration said Trump believes that the U.S. can strengthen its leverage over Beijing by individually renegotiating terms of trade with its other partners.

On his first day in office, Trump signed a presidential memorandum directing federal agencies to conduct a series of reviews of the U.S.’s existing trade relationships. One key task for his economic team is to cut deals with countries like Mexico and Vietnam, part of efforts to prevent Chinese companies from rerouting goods to the U.S. through third parties.


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WSJ reporting, and editorials for sure, tends to come from a Cato Institute pro-“free” trade angle, so this is a pretty good write up acknowledging that President Trump likely has the upper hand in a trade war with China. Long article, but a good overall read on the Trump Administration strategy. It also discusses Trump using this tactic not just for U.S. economics, but to try to get the Chinese government to actually engage in helping curb the flow of fentanyl out of their country that’s finding its way into the U.S.

This post was edited on 3/6/25 at 8:10 am
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
2526 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:03 am to
Well yeah. The trade imbalance is huge. The USA had the upper hand.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
16888 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:05 am to
I agree with much of what was said in the article.

I would’ve leaned harder into the isolate, resolve and move to the next strategy rather than trying to negotiate all the tariffs at once, but either way the end result is the same: we will win these engagements as long as we have the willpower to see them through because the trade imbalances favor us in all cases.
Posted by 03 West CoChamps
Member since Sep 2024
168 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:06 am to
Well yeah. Trump had them by the balls so much they colluded with our own politicians to release Covid to get Trump out of office. Of course they are worried now that he is back.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
21916 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:06 am to
Can’t wait for the board’s “scholars” to come here to tell us why the article is wrong
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:06 am to
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His recent enthusiastic embrace of Russia and its authoritarian leader, Vladimir Putin, is propelled in part by a strategic desire to drive a wedge between Moscow and Beijing.


I've long thought being friends with Russia has far more benefits than being an enemy and the fact China would be essentially isolated is a big one.

If Russia won't supply them while we control the seas, China would starve out of oil and food in months. It's kind of similar to Japan in that it needs imports for basic necessities as it doesn't produce nearly enough for it's population or it's manufacturing.
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
26077 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:09 am to
in any war between china and the us we need the russians if not openly on our side, sitting in the middle as best as possible.
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
19789 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:12 am to
Biden never undid tariffs against Chyna that Trump imposed first term probably out of ignorance than thought.

Trump has been looking at the bigger picture. And sees how brave Chyna got under spineless Biden. He will hurt them economically which all those people might get restless.

Only worry is dictators usually start some war type event to take focus off economy to keep people in line. Thats why they might move on Taiwan, to try and use to rally the citizens.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
21916 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:12 am to
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in any war between china and the us we need the russians if not openly on our side, sitting in the middle as best as possible.


This is what the Ukraine bros and war mongering leftist don’t understand. Their actions have pushed Russia towards China. That’s not a good thing for us long term
Posted by prplngldtigr
just up da bayou from down
Member since Dec 2004
7395 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:14 am to
Dumbasses were fear mongering WW3 over TARIFFS yesterday.

We got some uninformed, ignorant, incapable voters in this country.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37741 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:17 am to
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I've long thought being friends with Russia has far more benefits than being an enemy and the fact China would be essentially isolated is a big one


Russian friendship is unreliable unless we can change the faction in power.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
107219 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:22 am to
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Well yeah. Trump had them by the balls so much they colluded with our own politicians to release Covid to get Trump out of office. Of course they are worried now that he is back


100% this is what happened.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
32775 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:44 am to
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With a domestic economy in crisis...


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...let the Chinese stew in their continuing economic depression


I've been hearing about this for about 15 years now and in the meantime they just keep chugging along and growing.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34918 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:53 am to
well yea...trump is going to break china like Ronnie did Russia. Prolly fall during the next president but it will break. pretty clear signs


Trump is going to break the EU, the cartels and the lib dick suckers up north too, watch.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
15850 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:01 am to
It's so nice to have a leader that understands the game that is being played, and who he is playing against and isn't distracted by shiny things (Ukraine).

Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3878 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:39 am to
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Xi is playing defense, hoping to salvage as much as possible of a global trade system that helped pull his country out of poverty.


That "global trade system" is a dying model. Rich countries borrowing to consume are reaching the inevitable fate of those who consume more than they produce, i.e., poverty. Going forward, assuming we avoid mutual destruction, internation trade will revert to a more sustainable model of equal exchange of goods and services. To some, Trump may seem like the instigator of that reversion, but in the long run (we are there) balanced trade is an immutable law of economics and finance.
This post was edited on 3/6/25 at 9:41 am
Posted by bluestem75
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2007
4610 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:00 am to
Xi should have followed his predecessor’s model. They would be thriving and hold a much more friendly posture to the rest of the world.
Posted by GrizzlyAlloy
Member since Aug 2020
2581 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:07 am to
IBFree... I mean Roger the Shudderer, is not going to like this.
Posted by SPEEDY
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:14 am to
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
5260 posts
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:31 am to
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WSJ Piece: WSJ Is Secretly Worried Trump Will Win on Trade: They love China


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