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The US is now the enemy of the west
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:35 pm
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Arguably, for Trump, “dictator” may be a term of commendation, not condemnation. Again, for him, owning a valuable asset in another country might be the only reason to protect it. Even so, demanding a vast sum from a poor country that has been the victim of an unprovoked aggression is outrageous, particularly when Ukraine must rebuild. It is worse that the value of US demands was some four times its assistance. Moreover, according to the Kiel Institute’s Ukraine Support Tracker, Europeans provided more assistance than the US, which made just 31 per cent of total bilateral commitments and 41 per cent of military commitments to Ukraine between January 2022 and December 2024. Yet where are they in these negotiations? Nowhere. Trump is deciding for Ukraine and Europe, on his own.
In all, the US has spent just 0.19 per cent of GDP on military assistance for Ukraine. This is trivial, particularly in comparison with the cost of its previous wars. In return, it has gained the humiliation of what was once thought to be a powerful enemy and the vindication of the ideals of liberal democracy, for which Ukrainians are fighting and the US once fought.
These past two weeks then have made two things clear. The first is that the US has decided to abandon the role in the world it assumed during the second world war. With Trump back in the White House, it has decided instead to become just another great power, indifferent to anything but its short-term interests, especially its material interests. This leaves the causes it upheld in limbo, including the rights of small countries and democracy itself. This also fits with what is happening inside the US, where the state created by the New Deal and the law-governed society created by the constitution are both in danger of destruction.
In response, Europe will either rise to the occasion or disintegrate. Europeans will need to create far stronger co-operation embedded in a robust framework of liberal and democratic norms. If they do not, they will be picked to pieces by the world’s great powers. They must start by saving Ukraine from Putin’s malevolence.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:36 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:37 pm to Seldom Seen
Incorrect. The west is an enemy of the United States
This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:39 pm to Seldom Seen
Screw Ukraine they had it coming
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:40 pm to Seldom Seen
The West is the enemy of The West
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:40 pm to Seldom Seen
This author is, I believe, mostly correct. The U.S. is abandoning, or at least moving closer to abandoning, the post WW2 role the U.S. has had in Europe.
I think it is good. The world has changed. Europe is no longer as important as it was when it was the focal point for a potential conflict between the two world superpowers. If we had a mor honest political class in the country - this sort of conversation would have been had in the early 90s.
[EDIT] the title is ridiculous. the substance of the article is not.
I think it is good. The world has changed. Europe is no longer as important as it was when it was the focal point for a potential conflict between the two world superpowers. If we had a mor honest political class in the country - this sort of conversation would have been had in the early 90s.
[EDIT] the title is ridiculous. the substance of the article is not.
This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:40 pm to HeadCall
Europe doesn’t resemble anything taxpayers should support.
They decided who they are now.
Rapes
Invasion of privacy
Attacks on freedoms
Mass immigration
Arresting its own citizens for protesting or even disagreeing
Europe chose to be this way.
The US was onboard too.
Things change.
Elections have consequences as is said.
They decided who they are now.
Rapes
Invasion of privacy
Attacks on freedoms
Mass immigration
Arresting its own citizens for protesting or even disagreeing
Europe chose to be this way.
The US was onboard too.
Things change.
Elections have consequences as is said.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:42 pm to Seldom Seen
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
So is it time to join up with Russia?
So is it time to join up with Russia?
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:42 pm to Seldom Seen
Trump is the savior of the West.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:44 pm to prplngldtigr
Doxxing the whiney little bitch FT author would be a great next step
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:46 pm to Bunk Moreland
Tens of thousands of Ukrainians have died for nothing. How many more Ukrainians have to die to satisfy people like Rachel Maddow?
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:47 pm to Seldom Seen
So. Basically, we're the overindulgent parent who finally told the kiddos, alrighty now, take care of your fricking selves.
And, the entitled kids are pissed
And, the entitled kids are pissed
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:48 pm to Seldom Seen
Europe is no longer Europe. It’s a northern caliphate, tbh.
Poland is the only country left over there with any common sense about immigration/globalization.
And Russia.
Poland is the only country left over there with any common sense about immigration/globalization.
And Russia.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:50 pm to Bunk Moreland
Maddow is horrified that Trump will end the war & the slaughter in Ukraine?
Is that what I’m hearing???
Is that what I’m hearing???
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:53 pm to Seldom Seen
“Liberal democracy”
No, American citizens have had a good taste of what the globalist authoritarian Left’s “liberal democracy” entails in this 21st Century.
It’s not anything we recognize any longer and not anything we are interested in supporting.
Good luck with your bleak totalitarian future Western Europe.
Hopefully the U.S. will not come running to eventually help bail you out a third time.
No, American citizens have had a good taste of what the globalist authoritarian Left’s “liberal democracy” entails in this 21st Century.
It’s not anything we recognize any longer and not anything we are interested in supporting.
Good luck with your bleak totalitarian future Western Europe.
Hopefully the U.S. will not come running to eventually help bail you out a third time.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:53 pm to Seldom Seen
The U.S. is the West.
We're actively trying to end a bloody conflict that Europe was powerless to stop. Germany especially was impotent because of their reliance on Russian energy.
We're actively trying to end a bloody conflict that Europe was powerless to stop. Germany especially was impotent because of their reliance on Russian energy.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:56 pm to zeebo
sometimes i think western US is
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:56 pm to Seldom Seen
So was Doc Holiday
And since he can no longer be your Huckleberry, Trump stepped up

And since he can no longer be your Huckleberry, Trump stepped up

This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 8:59 pm
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