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The US is now the enemy of the west

Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Seldom Seen
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:35 pm
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Arguably, for Trump, “dictator” may be a term of commendation, not condemnation. Again, for him, owning a valuable asset in another country might be the only reason to protect it. Even so, demanding a vast sum from a poor country that has been the victim of an unprovoked aggression is outrageous, particularly when Ukraine must rebuild. It is worse that the value of US demands was some four times its assistance. Moreover, according to the Kiel Institute’s Ukraine Support Tracker, Europeans provided more assistance than the US, which made just 31 per cent of total bilateral commitments and 41 per cent of military commitments to Ukraine between January 2022 and December 2024. Yet where are they in these negotiations? Nowhere. Trump is deciding for Ukraine and Europe, on his own.

In all, the US has spent just 0.19 per cent of GDP on military assistance for Ukraine. This is trivial, particularly in comparison with the cost of its previous wars. In return, it has gained the humiliation of what was once thought to be a powerful enemy and the vindication of the ideals of liberal democracy, for which Ukrainians are fighting and the US once fought.

These past two weeks then have made two things clear. The first is that the US has decided to abandon the role in the world it assumed during the second world war. With Trump back in the White House, it has decided instead to become just another great power, indifferent to anything but its short-term interests, especially its material interests. This leaves the causes it upheld in limbo, including the rights of small countries and democracy itself. This also fits with what is happening inside the US, where the state created by the New Deal and the law-governed society created by the constitution are both in danger of destruction.

In response, Europe will either rise to the occasion or disintegrate. Europeans will need to create far stronger co-operation embedded in a robust framework of liberal and democratic norms. If they do not, they will be picked to pieces by the world’s great powers. They must start by saving Ukraine from Putin’s malevolence.




Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by HeadCall
Member since Feb 2025
1894 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:37 pm to
Incorrect. The west is an enemy of the United States
This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 8:38 pm
Posted by KingOrange
Mayfair
Member since Aug 2018
11067 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:39 pm to
FT are communist.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
14832 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:39 pm to
Screw Ukraine they had it coming
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
150316 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:40 pm to
The West is the enemy of The West
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1355 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:40 pm to
This author is, I believe, mostly correct. The U.S. is abandoning, or at least moving closer to abandoning, the post WW2 role the U.S. has had in Europe.

I think it is good. The world has changed. Europe is no longer as important as it was when it was the focal point for a potential conflict between the two world superpowers. If we had a mor honest political class in the country - this sort of conversation would have been had in the early 90s.

[EDIT] the title is ridiculous. the substance of the article is not.
This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 8:41 pm
Posted by prplngldtigr
just up da bayou from down
Member since Dec 2004
7267 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:40 pm to
Europe doesn’t resemble anything taxpayers should support.

They decided who they are now.

Rapes
Invasion of privacy
Attacks on freedoms
Mass immigration
Arresting its own citizens for protesting or even disagreeing

Europe chose to be this way.
The US was onboard too.

Things change.
Elections have consequences as is said.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
85327 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:42 pm to
The enemy of my enemy is my friend

So is it time to join up with Russia?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
76519 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:42 pm to

Trump is the savior of the West.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
8545 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:44 pm to
Doxxing the whiney little bitch FT author would be a great next step
Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
5475 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:46 pm to
Tens of thousands of Ukrainians have died for nothing. How many more Ukrainians have to die to satisfy people like Rachel Maddow?
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
811 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:47 pm to
So. Basically, we're the overindulgent parent who finally told the kiddos, alrighty now, take care of your fricking selves.

And, the entitled kids are pissed
Posted by Sid E Walker
InsecureU ©
Member since Nov 2013
24447 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:48 pm to
Europe is no longer Europe. It’s a northern caliphate, tbh.

Poland is the only country left over there with any common sense about immigration/globalization.

And Russia.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
35662 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:50 pm to
Maddow is horrified that Trump will end the war & the slaughter in Ukraine?

Is that what I’m hearing???
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
7201 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:53 pm to
“Liberal democracy”

No, American citizens have had a good taste of what the globalist authoritarian Left’s “liberal democracy” entails in this 21st Century.

It’s not anything we recognize any longer and not anything we are interested in supporting.

Good luck with your bleak totalitarian future Western Europe.

Hopefully the U.S. will not come running to eventually help bail you out a third time.

Posted by International_Aggie
Member since Oct 2012
1851 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:53 pm to
The U.S. is the West.

We're actively trying to end a bloody conflict that Europe was powerless to stop. Germany especially was impotent because of their reliance on Russian energy.
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5346 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:54 pm to
We are the west
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
4518 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:56 pm to
sometimes i think western US is
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31100 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:56 pm to
So was Doc Holiday

And since he can no longer be your Huckleberry, Trump stepped up



This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 8:59 pm
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