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People who are affected by natural or manmade disasters should get $0 from the government
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:24 pm
Foreign nations should also get $0 from our government by the way. I just saw Biden announce everyone's getting $770 as a one time payment. Huge slap in the face given the billions sent to Israel, Ukraine, Taliban, Pakistan, and God knows who else.
But there's no reason that the federal government should swoop in every time a disaster hits and start handing out cash. Supplies and food, sure although we know what a shitshow FEMA is so maybe that shouldn't exist. It's an insane precedent that any time a bad thing happens, everyone in the region is handed federal taxpayer money.
Keep it at the state level at best.
But there's no reason that the federal government should swoop in every time a disaster hits and start handing out cash. Supplies and food, sure although we know what a shitshow FEMA is so maybe that shouldn't exist. It's an insane precedent that any time a bad thing happens, everyone in the region is handed federal taxpayer money.
Keep it at the state level at best.
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:29 pm to Thundercles
I agree - but as long as this system is in place, it's incredibly insulting to send billions to Ukraine and pennies to Americans. That said, it should transition to the states.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:30 pm to Thundercles
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Keep it at the state level at best.
Reform disaster funding on the back end, and sure.
As things are currently set up, FEMA is who holds the cash. FEMA is funded by Congress using tax dollars paid by citizens. We pay for FEMA assistance, for most people in every paycheck.
If you mean on principle, sure. Whatever. In a perfect world the fed gov wouldn't be involved. However, they are and we're paying for it. So yes, people should get money in a disaster. I'm all for less government. But if we are paying into a government program or system, then that program or system damn well better pay out when the conditions are met.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:32 pm to POTUS2024
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but as long as this system is in place,
How did this even become the system though? When did this start? I can't remember direct payments for disasters until Maui, then Helene, and now this.
it's such a slippery slope and subjective system. Which hurricane victims get money and which don't? What about tornadoes? Snowstorms? Before we know it the government will be handing out checks for windy days.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:35 pm to Thundercles
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How did this even become the system though? When did this start? I can't remember direct payments for disasters until Maui, then Helene, and now this.
In its modern form? The Stafford Act in the late 80's.
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I can't remember direct payments for disasters until Maui, then Helene, and now this.
You're on a Louisiana based message board and can't think of a single time prior to the Maui fires where people got checks from FEMA after a disaster?
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it's such a slippery slope and subjective system. Which hurricane victims get money and which don't? What about tornadoes? Snowstorms? Before we know it the government will be handing out checks for windy days.
There are regulations and rules for all of this, you know. Some of them suck, but there are rules that govern it.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 10:00 pm to Indefatigable
Hurricane Katrina is the first time I remember it happening.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 10:08 pm to Thundercles
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People who are affected by natural or manmade disasters should get $0 from the government
Agreed. We've wasted billions over the years rebuilding New Orleans, and it's just as shitty as it was before Katrina flooded it.
Rebuilding should have only come from local people's money.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 1/13/25 at 11:59 pm to Thundercles
Coolidge agrees with you. And I agree with Coolidge.
It can all be handled through private funding.
It can all be handled through private funding.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:02 am to Thundercles
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Supplies and food, sure
Well they sure as hell don't do any of that.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:23 am to Thundercles
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Keep it at the state level at best.
Then how will the Federal government extort states to pass laws and regulations that Feds have no constitutional authority to enact on their own?
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:30 am to Thundercles
If you keep bailing people out who live in unsustainable areas, they will keep making bad choices.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:41 am to Thundercles
Well you know, Congress has the power to promote the general welfare.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 7:10 am to Indefatigable
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There are regulations and rules for all of this, you know. Some of them suck, but there are rules that govern it.
The rules suck so the system sucks, which is his point.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 7:28 am to Thundercles
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billions sent to Israel, Ukraine, Taliban, Pakistan, and God knows who else.
Predictable which country you mention first. But not to worry, there are approximately 162 other countries we send money to as well as your list ( not kidding.)
Posted on 1/14/25 at 7:47 am to Thundercles
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How did this even become the system though?
Yankees/Whigs way back when were dead set on using federal dollars for internal improvements and Henry Clay's American System.
The Overton window just slid through time from federally collected tariffs for the State, to individual's taxes for other individuals.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 7:57 am to Indefatigable
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If you mean on principle, sure. Whatever. In a perfect world the fed gov wouldn't be involved. However, they are and we're paying for it. So yes, people should get money in a disaster. I'm all for less government. But if we are paying into a government program or system, then that program or system damn well better pay out when the conditions are met.
The system includes shelter assistance. Then is used for illegals. Then they say, we ran out of money. Then they say, climate change.
I’m not for keeping broken systems that create more systems to rob taxpayers.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 8:37 am to Thundercles
The richest country in the world should just let its citizens lose everything? Let's just get rid of police and firemen too. If you can't afford to pay for private security and firefighters, then you don't deserve to have your house or family saved. I've never needed a cop or fireman, so why should anyone get that benefit from the government?
The government should do nothing for its citizens in time of need. They should only steal our wealth for themselves and never use it to benefit citizens. What a great system.
How about the government not waste a trillion dollars a year in graft and corruption and then we could actually be the greatest country in the world who takes care of its contributing citizens in times of incredible need. Letting people who have worked their entire lives lose everything is retarded.
The government should do nothing for its citizens in time of need. They should only steal our wealth for themselves and never use it to benefit citizens. What a great system.
How about the government not waste a trillion dollars a year in graft and corruption and then we could actually be the greatest country in the world who takes care of its contributing citizens in times of incredible need. Letting people who have worked their entire lives lose everything is retarded.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 8:40 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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The richest country in the world should just let its citizens lose everything?
This happens every single day and nobody, you included, loses any sleep over it. We only get emotional about it when they're all clustered together because of a disaster.
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 8:41 am
Posted on 1/14/25 at 8:47 am to TrueTiger
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Well you know, Congress has the power to promote the general welfare.
For years Democrats have been using this to push all kinds of welfare.
I dont understand why the government has to keep bailing people out in flood and fire areas.
At some point, you have to blame people for continually building in these places.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:03 am to Indefatigable
We got hit by Rita and Laura.
Fema or US Gov gave us MREs and water.
Red Cross gave us 1500 after Rita.
Fema or US Gov gave us MREs and water.
Red Cross gave us 1500 after Rita.
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