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re: People who are affected by natural or manmade disasters should get $0 from the government
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:24 am to Thundercles
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:24 am to Thundercles
The insane amount of money this country spends on taking care of people who refuse to work, illegal immigrants, foreign nations and their citizens, and the military to take care of and protect the world from harm (sure) is absurd to be sure, but when we can only muster $700.00 for our own citizens, THEIR MONEY mind you that they worked for, not somebody else’s money, it is beyond revolting to me. We entrust them with our money to run the country, and this is the payback we get from our own money? That should tell you everything you need to know about this country.
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Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:32 am to Thundercles
You mixed up two issues. On foreign assistance, there is a time and place for it, but too often it is a tool for graft. It should be scaled way back. The money America spent in Lend/Lease, supplying the USSR with WW2 materiel, and the Marshal Plan, produced returns that dwarfed the investments. But what we were doing in Ukraine recently, and what we’ve been doing in Israel for decades, has turned into nothing but graft.
On disaster relief for Americans, it is a good idea. It acts as an insurance policy whereby we spread risk among all of us.
On disaster relief for Americans, it is a good idea. It acts as an insurance policy whereby we spread risk among all of us.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:35 am to Thundercles
As someone who has been displaced over a year by a natural disaster, I have to agree.
The government giving everyone in the area $700, with no regard to how much damage they actually suffered, is just plain wasteful. For someone truly suffering, it doesn’t really even move the needle. For those that aren’t, I’m sure they will take it but it’s not some life changing amount of money. It’s a situation where the people that are truly needy will reveal themselves
Meanwhile, navigating insurance and other forms of assistance is a nightmare. You are made out to be a criminal until you get a letter informing you your insurance company can no longer afford to honor their contract.
The government giving everyone in the area $700, with no regard to how much damage they actually suffered, is just plain wasteful. For someone truly suffering, it doesn’t really even move the needle. For those that aren’t, I’m sure they will take it but it’s not some life changing amount of money. It’s a situation where the people that are truly needy will reveal themselves
Meanwhile, navigating insurance and other forms of assistance is a nightmare. You are made out to be a criminal until you get a letter informing you your insurance company can no longer afford to honor their contract.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:38 am to Penrod
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On disaster relief for Americans, it is a good idea. It acts as an insurance policy whereby we spread risk among all of us.
Which enables people to build in risky areas, I dont think thats a great idea.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:44 am to TwoFace
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Hurricane Katrina is the first time I remember it happening.
I'm pretty sure I remember it from Hurricanes Andrew and Hugo as well.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:56 am to madmaxvol
My Uncle Sam paid for a generator and chain saw after Rita hit LC.
The real problem is people will continue to build in high risk areas as long as the risk falls on the backs of the taxpayers. Insurance companies not in the benevolent business. So their charges for coverage are based on risk and amount of potential payout for loss. In California you got earthquakes, fires, mud slides, Tsunamis, Typhoons to reek havoc. Rebuilding cost, and government regulations are excessive. If you can not get ROI then you will not underwrite policies there. Over regulation have caused companies to just abandon the state.
The real problem is people will continue to build in high risk areas as long as the risk falls on the backs of the taxpayers. Insurance companies not in the benevolent business. So their charges for coverage are based on risk and amount of potential payout for loss. In California you got earthquakes, fires, mud slides, Tsunamis, Typhoons to reek havoc. Rebuilding cost, and government regulations are excessive. If you can not get ROI then you will not underwrite policies there. Over regulation have caused companies to just abandon the state.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:01 am to Thundercles
I have ZERO issues using the people's money to help them after a natural disaster .
I have a HUGE problem giving our money to people who break the law by entering this country illegally.
Jail them or send them back.
I have a HUGE problem giving our money to people who break the law by entering this country illegally.
Jail them or send them back.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:05 am to Thundercles
I agree 100% frick them all. No hurricane relief or flood relief either. Even if the government caused the problem you elected them it’s still your fault. I am for 100% personal responsibility, no matter what happens it’s your fricking own fault, deal with it.
Homeless people, kill them all.
Mentally insane kill them all.
Stupid people, sterilize or kill.
Criminals let’s bring back weekly gladiator fights.
Don’t work don’t eat.
Welfare eliminate it
Farm subsidies eliminate it
Tax breaks are all special interest eliminate them all
Medicare is communism eliminate it
Free lunches frick that shite
Military budget is insane make them at least explain the missing trillions
Churches can pay taxes too frick them
Welcome to frick everybody but me World. Lol
None of it really makes any common sense, but go and try to run for office with any of those views.
Nobody ever gives a shite until it happens to them, the genie is already out of the bottle bro, the Nazis lost
Homeless people, kill them all.
Mentally insane kill them all.
Stupid people, sterilize or kill.
Criminals let’s bring back weekly gladiator fights.
Don’t work don’t eat.
Welfare eliminate it
Farm subsidies eliminate it
Tax breaks are all special interest eliminate them all
Medicare is communism eliminate it
Free lunches frick that shite
Military budget is insane make them at least explain the missing trillions
Churches can pay taxes too frick them
Welcome to frick everybody but me World. Lol
None of it really makes any common sense, but go and try to run for office with any of those views.
Nobody ever gives a shite until it happens to them, the genie is already out of the bottle bro, the Nazis lost
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:15 am to Thundercles
Hard disagree. I want to see the opposite where one of the primary functions of the government is to help these kinds of people. I'm sure I'll hear about 100 different reasons why people would hate this and I'll listen.
Best example is from Hawaii's fires. And please tell me if this was another story on the internet that proved to be false later. The way I heard it was it would take $5B to rebuild the homes lost in the Hawaii fires. At the same time, there was an accounting error that sent an additional $6B to the Ukraine. Not $6B total...but an extra $6B on top of everything. If true then that's criminal to me.
Like I said, I don't know the hurdles and roadblocks to it. But I'd much rather see the Government putting money to rebuild our own communities before another country's. And while I don't doubt their ability to frick things up, I don't trust the insurance companies either.
And this is not to excuse a state like CA not doing the right things (forest cleanup, water retention). But half, give or take, of any population usually didn't vote for the side implementing government policies. And "they should just move" is one of the most ignorant responses I've come across. That's great when you can afford it and have other options. It's not easy for most to leave family, friends and work.
Like most issues in this country/world, it's not an overnight fix that one vote can handle.
Best example is from Hawaii's fires. And please tell me if this was another story on the internet that proved to be false later. The way I heard it was it would take $5B to rebuild the homes lost in the Hawaii fires. At the same time, there was an accounting error that sent an additional $6B to the Ukraine. Not $6B total...but an extra $6B on top of everything. If true then that's criminal to me.
Like I said, I don't know the hurdles and roadblocks to it. But I'd much rather see the Government putting money to rebuild our own communities before another country's. And while I don't doubt their ability to frick things up, I don't trust the insurance companies either.
And this is not to excuse a state like CA not doing the right things (forest cleanup, water retention). But half, give or take, of any population usually didn't vote for the side implementing government policies. And "they should just move" is one of the most ignorant responses I've come across. That's great when you can afford it and have other options. It's not easy for most to leave family, friends and work.
Like most issues in this country/world, it's not an overnight fix that one vote can handle.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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For years Democrats have been using this to push all kinds of welfare.
I dont understand why the government has to keep bailing people out in flood and fire areas.
At some point, you have to blame people for continually building in these places.
100%
The goal isnt to raise the middle to the top its to push the middle down and the poor up to merge them.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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At some point, you have to blame people for continually building in these places.
At some point someone needs to realize that all this government "help" is actually detrimental to the public welfare.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:44 am to TrueTiger
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At some point someone needs to realize that all this government "help" is actually detrimental to the public welfare.
Absolutely. Its counter to human development.
Prior to the welfare system, people would move to where the jobs were. Now we have pockets in the cities and places like Appalachia where entire populations are addicted to govt help.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:00 pm to Thundercles
Well it’s a good thing you aren’t in charge of making important decisions.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:02 pm to Thundercles
It started after 9/11. At the time I thought it was very weird the government would give victims family taxpayer money. It’s getting to be a grift at this point. NGOs are now paid millions to administer “aid”
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Which enables people to build in risky areas, I dont think thats a great idea.
I agree with you. But you are talking about disaster relief on the scale of home and infrastructure replacement and backstopping insurance companies.
It’s an interesting case of incentives. In the case of Katrina, we were failed by various levels of government - levees broke, preventative water barricades were not installed, pumps were not operated properly. If government had been competent we would have had a small fraction of the damages. It stands to reason that government - at some level - should pay for that. It appears we will find the same thing about the California fires when there is time for sober analyses.
No question, though, our nation socializes risk, and that does encourage risky behavior (eg the Savings & Loan debacle)
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:04 pm to Thundercles
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But there's no reason that the federal government should swoop in every time a disaster hits and start handing out cash. Supplies and food, sure although we know what a shitshow FEMA is so maybe that shouldn't exist. It's an insane precedent that any time a bad thing happens, everyone in the region is handed federal taxpayer money.
Then our federal taxes should be decreased.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:26 pm to Thundercles
Folks couldn't have rebuilt after the flood if not for fema aid
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