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We Build Levees
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:27 am
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:27 am
If LA can build levees why can't CA build fire control systems to mitigate the inevitable? They have way more money than we have but had no plan for a completely predictable crisis.
Did anybody find it ironic to see ocean front home after home burn to the ground and the people wringing their hands because there was no water in the hydrants?
Like having a generator for your home in case of a hurricane why wouldn't there be fire water pumps using Pacific Ocean Water to fight these fires. They are using airplanes now to scoop up ocean water for fire control. That's a little too little and a lot too late.
Any engineers out there who think this is a reasonable solution? I'd sure buy a whole house ocean water fire system if I had an expensive ocean front property. The insurance savings may pay the bill.
Did anybody find it ironic to see ocean front home after home burn to the ground and the people wringing their hands because there was no water in the hydrants?
Like having a generator for your home in case of a hurricane why wouldn't there be fire water pumps using Pacific Ocean Water to fight these fires. They are using airplanes now to scoop up ocean water for fire control. That's a little too little and a lot too late.
Any engineers out there who think this is a reasonable solution? I'd sure buy a whole house ocean water fire system if I had an expensive ocean front property. The insurance savings may pay the bill.
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:31 am to dovehunter
But seriously…I bet there is some kind of foam sprayer that would be effective against blowing embers but heavy enough that the wind couldn’t blow it off surfaces.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 6:34 am
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:31 am to dovehunter
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If LA can build levees why can't CA build fire control systems to mitigate the inevitable?
They did, but Governor Hair Gel destroyed several dams used to create reservoirs for this purpose.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:33 am to dovehunter
One would think that as close as they are to the ocean that desalination plants could be built to at least give water to fight wild fires?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:35 am to Revelator
Just use the salt water as a last resort. Better than nothing.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:36 am to loogaroo
With the types of fires Cali gets, it could be more effective just to have a plan to bulldoze all of the buildings around a fire to cut off the fuel source. The fire just moves too damn fast.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:37 am to dovehunter
Why fix something when you can create potential catastrophic conditions that you can later ask billions for in relief? Esp when that relief goes to paying off completely different things than what they were acquired for.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:38 am to dovehunter
Mel Gibson slammed California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Joe Rogan's podcast on Thursday, joking that "all our tax dollars probably went to Gavin's hair gel" instead of wildfire prevention.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:43 am to dovehunter
greater than 80% of California’s water supply is controlled by Big Ag … mostly the almond growers. I think I recall that they consume 1 gal/ almond to grow to maturity. That’s a crapload of water.
Now, get this …. not only are the almond farms soaking up as much water as they can possibly acquire, they use it to grow a crop that is primarily for export.
So in reality, Cali’s greatest fundamental problem is a problem of their own creation, and is not a sustainable situation…. as we are witnessing live.
This has long been predicted because the Santa Ana winds are a well known weather event …. common.
I briefly lived there in Topanga Canyon in 1984, which was far less dense and congested then than today. It was an awesome house that I shared with the owner. He was a prop master with Paramount, and his property was filled with items from many of the sets he had outfitted during his career. I always felt I was living in a museum of sorts.
Found out yesterday that it burned to the ground, right after having a new roof put on. Sad.
Now, get this …. not only are the almond farms soaking up as much water as they can possibly acquire, they use it to grow a crop that is primarily for export.
So in reality, Cali’s greatest fundamental problem is a problem of their own creation, and is not a sustainable situation…. as we are witnessing live.
This has long been predicted because the Santa Ana winds are a well known weather event …. common.
I briefly lived there in Topanga Canyon in 1984, which was far less dense and congested then than today. It was an awesome house that I shared with the owner. He was a prop master with Paramount, and his property was filled with items from many of the sets he had outfitted during his career. I always felt I was living in a museum of sorts.
Found out yesterday that it burned to the ground, right after having a new roof put on. Sad.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 6:48 am
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:41 am to loogaroo
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Just use the salt water as a last resort. Better than nothing.
That's how ships fight fires.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:43 am to dovehunter
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If LA can build levees why can't CA build fire control systems to mitigate the inevitable?
Umm they can. It's called annual debris and underbrush cleanup. They just refuse to remove the fuel that causes wildfires on an annual basis. So they get wildfires. Imagine that.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:45 am to dovehunter
Is there anything stopping them from building a water levee around the city? All you would need is some pipe about 50 ft in the air with holes in it then when there’s a fire you just turn in the faucet.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:45 am to cadillacattack
While the Ag industry uses plenty of water as the definitely need it for production purposes there is plenty of water that runs freely into the ocean because of environmentalists. The farmers have been fighting for more water for decades and Pelosi and Newsome have been part of the problem against it. California is inherently an arid place, which is why it has been a destination for 150 years and is beautiful but Los Angeles in particular could have been building tanks, lakes for holding water, desalination plants or lining underground piping for use of ocean salt water for the sole purpose of fighting fires. The Santa Anna winds are well known and so are the fires so there is absolutely nothing they can say but that they failed miserably
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:48 am to dovehunter
California receives a ton of federal money to mitigate fire damage.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:48 am to loogaroo
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Just use the salt water as a last resort. Better than nothing.
Id imagine, they will if desperation kicks in. I dont know the ramifications of spraying salt water around everywhere on the land, but id imagine its not good
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:49 am to Revelator
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One would think that as close as they are to the ocean that desalination plants could be built to at least give water to fight wild fires?
Why would anyone think they need to desalinate water before using it to fight a fire?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:50 am to cadillacattack
it takes 4 cups of water to produce (1) 8 oz cup of almond milk
lets stop demonizing cows and get back to reality. Cali has done it wrong at every step of the way with the wildfire mitigation.
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Almond milk and oat milk are two popular examples of milk alternatives. It takes about 1.1 gallons of water to make a single almond, and 92 almonds make up about 1 cup. With almond milk, there is generally a ratio of 1:3 or 1:4 cups of almonds to water. This means that it can take up to 101 gallons of water to make just 1 cup of almonds, plus an additional 3 or 4 cups of water to make a small serving of almond milk. In fact, many store brand almond milks only have about 2% of almonds actually in them – the rest is water!
lets stop demonizing cows and get back to reality. Cali has done it wrong at every step of the way with the wildfire mitigation.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 7:51 am
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:53 am to MRTigerFan
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Why would anyone think they need to desalinate water before using it to fight a fire?
Lots of reasons.
Salt is very corrosive to equipment, it’s is more conductive of electricity, which presents a safety hazard, it causes fire equipment to run hotter, which can ruin it faster, and the salt residue left over seeps into the ground and can ruin soil and vegetation
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 8:01 am
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:54 am to scottydoesntknow
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. I dont know the ramifications of spraying salt water around everywhere on the land, but id imagine its not good
Probably aid in alleviating some of this underbrush regrowth.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:56 am to Pezzo
Newsom and his Dem cronies put the fate of the Smelt fish over California Citizens. THIS WAS PREVENTABLE!
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 8:02 am
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