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re: Is there any historical evidence of diversity working out?
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Diversity is having a left handed pitcher and a right handed pitcher, not a black and white pitcher.
best comparison I've heard - may use it.
do not need one-legged pitchers either - etc.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:08 am to Darth_Vader
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ETA: you can take your worthless downvote and shove it straight up your arse. You can dislike my statement, but you can’t argue against it from a factual standpoint
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:09 am to ChineseBandit58
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do not need one-legged pitchers either - etc.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:12 am to oldhickory1812
quote:Diversity is not solely a racial issue. It is culture, religion, educational, etc. Not remotely.
it was close to 90% white
E.g., in the nineteenth century, there were leagues of difference between German, Italian, Polish, Scandinavian, or Russian immigrants, all "White." American exceptionalism tapped the best of each within a social melting pot. We took cultural nuances and improved them.
American pizzas became something far better than their Italian forebears. Tacos, English muffins, french fries, were all formed from the same basis, yet all 100% American. E.g. the first "English" muffins were sold in England in the 1990's. They are purely American adaptations of crumpets.
I suspect your reference leans more to racially divisive efforts of neo-Marxists. With their influence, leftists now consider an inclusive adoption of things like Cinco de Mayo, Native American art or garb or nomenclature to be "cultural appropriation," and highly inappropriate. It is the literal antithesis to previous diverse inclusion directed toward a common goal. The leftist effort is to segregate ethnicities as a means of dividing and conquering the populace.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:13 am to Pvt Hudson
quote:what's the issue with Japan? They beat us in several measures.
Say what you want about the state we are in, but would you rather be... Japan?
quote:Because of our Constitution written by a decidedly non-diverse group. The US was still 80% white in 1990.
All in all, the US is more diverse and more successful than the rest of the planet...especially those with homogeneous populations
Norway, Sweden, Finland, are doing poorly?
"One of the most comprehensive studies of diversity was created by a team of scholars from Harvard University, World Bank, Stanford, and New York University and published in the Journal of Economic Growth in a paper called "Fractionalization." In that study the US is the 90th most diverse out of 216 countries. Many African countries rank at the top along with many in the Middle East.
It's not diversity that powers/powered US growth, it was capitalism and better laws.
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 8:15 am
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:37 am to Gaston
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…instead of hiring some smart Asian or Indian men/women ...
The funniest thing about this assumption is that there are widespread news reports about the level of cheating that occurs abroad (and in the United States) by both Indian and Chinese students.
LINK
The idea that, somehow, black guys from a fraternity are assuming positions at NASA by more deserving Asian or Indian men or women is preposterous. They get away with this cheating, often, because of the false assumptions about their abilities.
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:39 am to NC_Tigah
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The United States.
The more ‘diverse’ we become the worse everything becomes. We are on a downward trajectory regardless of who is in political office due to Illegal Immigration and anchor babies. These people haven’t improved this country they’ve made it worse.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:43 am to NC_Tigah
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The United States.
Before the 1990s. We had a diverse populace which coalesced around some common American values and principles. Then came subjective morality and the PC movement and all the common principles began to vanish.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:44 am to burger bearcat
Diversity is a poison thrust upon us by our enemies who want to bring us down.
There is no
“Strength through diversity”
That’s a feel good motto that has no basis in reality.
You want to fly on a plane that’s pilot was chosen to make them more diverse or do you want the most qualified?
Diversity is a nice idea.It is not beneficial on its face. It can work when you speak of ideas but not otherwise. Diversity of Skin color or culture are superficial.
Character and capability are the 2 main criteria that matter
There is no
“Strength through diversity”
That’s a feel good motto that has no basis in reality.
You want to fly on a plane that’s pilot was chosen to make them more diverse or do you want the most qualified?
Diversity is a nice idea.It is not beneficial on its face. It can work when you speak of ideas but not otherwise. Diversity of Skin color or culture are superficial.
Character and capability are the 2 main criteria that matter
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:59 am to burger bearcat
Yes when cultures and peoples are reasonably similar in values and appearance. Think NYC in 1900. Blacks, Asians, Hispanics,
Arabs all have vastly different cultures than those of European descent
Arabs all have vastly different cultures than those of European descent
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:22 am to NC_Tigah
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I suspect your reference leans more to racially divisive efforts of neo-Marxists. With their influence, leftists now consider an inclusive adoption of things like Cinco de Mayo, Native American art or garb or nomenclature to be "cultural appropriation," and highly inappropriate. It is the literal antithesis to previous diverse inclusion directed toward a common goal. The leftist effort is to segregate ethnicities as a means of dividing and conquering the populace.
As usual, you highlight the nub of the situation clearly.
I have long thought we need to enforce 'English Only" for any kind of official documentation, proceeding, and citizenship. Multi-lingual is a fantastic asset, but our culture needs to accommodate the common man.
We should stop apologizing for the world's sins at the time of our founding. Our forefathers did what every successful specie in history has always done - and that is to take the world as it is and work to IMPROVE if within the bounds of our capability and moral fortitude. This is how all of linourishving organisms have come to survive until today - thank GOD all the non-productive 'experiments of nature' are no longer with us to contend with - and nourish.
Let any immigrant come in who can benefit our society - or at least provide for his own needs. There is no benefit to promoting the importation of more 'welfare leeches.'
As for helping out in disasters - here and abroad - there has NEVER been a more charitable society than the American culture of the early 1900s. We have sacrificed that great trait for a "government" which doles out other people's money in shallow attempts to purchase their votes in the next election - not for the future benefit of society.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:40 am to ChineseBandit58
Diversity is a concept best utilized by your competitors
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:52 am to burger bearcat
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diversity
Just a buzzword for "weakening European-based cultures".
Posted on 5/3/24 at 10:17 am to The Maj
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Of course,,, There is Wakanda.
They were the most diverse country on Earth until the Winter Soldier arrived and started flaunting his white supremacy.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 10:23 am to burger bearcat
Diversity works when there is a common, foundational culture that transcends nationality - happened in America - and we observe glimpses even today, particularly with Asian Americans and Latino Americans.
If one's nationality or some other foolish notion, such as gender identity or race or ethnicity, are foundationally predominant - no, diversity has no chance for 'my right to myself supercedes the community at-large'
If one's nationality or some other foolish notion, such as gender identity or race or ethnicity, are foundationally predominant - no, diversity has no chance for 'my right to myself supercedes the community at-large'
Posted on 5/3/24 at 10:39 am to burger bearcat
You have to remember that "diversity" really means anti-white.
Only institutions that are historically white need to be diversified you will notice.
I don't see anyone clamoring for Nigeria or Thailand to be more diverse, or the NBA. I sure see NHL commercials for them trying to be more diverse.
Remember: diversity means "anti-white"
Only institutions that are historically white need to be diversified you will notice.
I don't see anyone clamoring for Nigeria or Thailand to be more diverse, or the NBA. I sure see NHL commercials for them trying to be more diverse.
Remember: diversity means "anti-white"
Posted on 5/3/24 at 10:58 am to burger bearcat
You have to define diversity to answer this question. If you are talking about the current liberal American definition of racial diversity, it means anything but white people and Asian people. In other words, the people the Biden administration actively tried to keep out of Harvard in the Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard affirmative action case last year.
When it comes to what they mean by diversity, look at what they do, not what they say.
When it comes to what they mean by diversity, look at what they do, not what they say.
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 5/3/24 at 11:14 am to LB84
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Depends on the level of differences. Just look at the history of the English Isles. Many different peoples lived and fought over that land since before the Romans. The Norse threw their hat in there as well. The UK has worked pretty well from 1707 until recent times where people with more radical differences are being brought in.
It is such a broad topic and hard to narrow down. I'm not arguing against what you said, as it still is diversity to an extent.
If we just look at the general groups/tribes of the region they were different, but they shared the same general traditions, huge overlap in y-dna (R1b heavy w/ I1 mixture), same general religion/shared gods/beliefs, practices (each group had their own traditions, gods, festivals too) -- burial practices, similar basic words and sentence structure (proto-germanic languages), these groups used runes to write out stories, all generally come from the yamnaya migration into Europe. I don't believe they were really that different. Probably why most of the continent has had success compared to, well the rest of the planet.
if you want a fun deep dive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalith
Just want to add some argue against the yamnaya migration story being the main root of our migration into europe and say we are purely the descendants of the stone age Neanderthals w/ yamnaya mixture added in.
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 11:45 am
Posted on 5/3/24 at 11:16 am to burger bearcat
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Is there any historical evidence of diversity working out?
Best historical example I can think of is science vs. religion. If the west had stuck to its religious trend line we would still be jailing astronomers who contradicted the Catholic Church (Gallileo) and still be claiming humans have only been around for 6000 years as the Bible infers.
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