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re: House Bill 745 - State Grants for private school tuition, what are your local thoughts?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:08 am to Sheep
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:08 am to Sheep
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If there's one thing I've learned, it's that direct government subsidies to private industry always works out best for taxpayers and consumers and never turns into a money pit rife with corruption and profiteering.
I mean - look at defense contractors, for example.
You don't even have to change the subject matter. Look at what the government did to college tuition.
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Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:08 am to HangmanPage1
Its a terrible idea.
Once these private schools accept government money they wont be able to operate without some government intervention.
The Catholic Religion would have a massive revenue surge from the state if this happened as well.
Once these private schools accept government money they wont be able to operate without some government intervention.
The Catholic Religion would have a massive revenue surge from the state if this happened as well.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:08 am to Cosmo
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No because private schools can expel shitheads much more easily
So empower the public schools to do the same. I’d rather raise taxes a small portion to fund military style reform schools for shite head kids where we ship them out of the standard public school and make them see real discipline
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:09 am to HangmanPage1
There are a few problems here...
First, school districts cannot predict how many students will opt for private. This really screws up budgeting for these government agencies.
Second, the same thing will happen that occurred when charters were embraced. You will get fly-by-night private "schools" that claim to offer amazing services and programs, that will be just massive scams.
Third, SPED services. Most private schools do not provide SPED services. You will have a rash of lawsuits that say that if a private school accepts public funds, it must meet the same criteria and offer the same services as public schools. This includes the "mild to moderate" SPED students who must be in regular ed classrooms to fulfill the "least restrictive environment" rule from the Disabilities Education Act.
Fourth, the NIMBYs will be out in force. Many, many parents send there kids to private school to avoid the "problem" kids at public schools. Often the only separation is cost of attendance. With the price barrier down, many private school parents will not be happy.
Fifth, what happens when a child goes to a private school, then is removed or transfers to a public school? Their funds will have to follow them. This puts uncertainty in the budget of private schools as well.
First, school districts cannot predict how many students will opt for private. This really screws up budgeting for these government agencies.
Second, the same thing will happen that occurred when charters were embraced. You will get fly-by-night private "schools" that claim to offer amazing services and programs, that will be just massive scams.
Third, SPED services. Most private schools do not provide SPED services. You will have a rash of lawsuits that say that if a private school accepts public funds, it must meet the same criteria and offer the same services as public schools. This includes the "mild to moderate" SPED students who must be in regular ed classrooms to fulfill the "least restrictive environment" rule from the Disabilities Education Act.
Fourth, the NIMBYs will be out in force. Many, many parents send there kids to private school to avoid the "problem" kids at public schools. Often the only separation is cost of attendance. With the price barrier down, many private school parents will not be happy.
Fifth, what happens when a child goes to a private school, then is removed or transfers to a public school? Their funds will have to follow them. This puts uncertainty in the budget of private schools as well.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 9:36 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:12 am to HangmanPage1
Government dollars eventually come with strings attached. It also screws up the market for private education and will lead to faster increases in tuition like it did for college.
It's yet another handout. It will basically Section 8 some private schools.
It's yet another handout. It will basically Section 8 some private schools.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 9:16 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:15 am to Locoguan0
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There are a few problems here...
logistics is a problem as well. All the roads, building locations etc. are mapped based on current numbers, if they see a large percentage change there could be issues.
What happens if a large percentage currently attending public want to go private you have a bunch of teachers out of the job wouldnt you? You cant keep them on the payroll if public enroll decreases a good bit. Then again, government is always overemployed.
You might say, well they can go work for the private schools, and they can, but the private school pay is lower and they dont offer the same pension. So, some would be losing time on their pension and some would have to change during their career.
Interesting nonetheless.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:20 am to HangmanPage1
The public school systems are already getting the money for the kids who attend private schools. The money should follow the student.
Now on flip side, if La DOE starts demanding private school must follow some of the public school testing or other BS, private schools needs to tell the state to frick off.
Now on flip side, if La DOE starts demanding private school must follow some of the public school testing or other BS, private schools needs to tell the state to frick off.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:25 am to Locoguan0
quote:From my understanding, the private schools will still have the ability to pick and choose. I think the option is if you are able to get into the private school, you have this monetary option to assist. I would doubt if a private school would spend the enormous resources to start a Sped dept to add some kids would in truth wouldn’t bring anything to the table for the school.
Third, SPED services. Most private schools do not provide SPED services. You will have a rash of lawsuits that say that if a private school accepts public funds, it must meet the same criteria and offer the same services as public schools. This includes the "mild to moderate" SPED students who must be in regular ed classrooms to fulfill the "least restrictive environment" rule from the Disabilities Education Act.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:28 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Let the money go to actual education and actual instructional aspects that truly benefits the kids. The only people that will benefit from this will be the private schools that will see their tuition go from $12,000/year to $12,000+ what ever this stipend is at the same student load.
I would assume the children going to that school will also benefit, because some of that extra tuition will be going back into the school.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:30 am to HangmanPage1
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From my understanding, the private schools will still have the ability to pick and choose. I think the option is if you are able to get into the private school, you have this monetary option to assist. I would doubt if a private school would spend the enormous resources to start a Sped dept to add some kids would in truth wouldn’t bring anything to the table for the school.
Very true, for now. Like I said, with the public funds coming in, you will see lawsuits. How many private schools want to spend millions defending their enrollment practices and available programs?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:30 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Why don’t we fix the problem we have with public schools using this money?
Money isn't going to fix the Public School problem. Public Schools spend 3-5 times more per student than your average Private School. We are spending more per student than ever in the US and the quality keeps going down.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 9:31 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:31 am to HangmanPage1
Can’t speak for all private schools, but the one my kids attend in BR requires admission testing and they don't tolerate BS from the kids or the parents. I’m sure places like Tallulah Academy have less rigorous entrance requirements that weed out and limit enrollment. Also, regardless of public/private status, state law requires so many square feet per student in classrooms and there’s a max limit on students to teacher ratio. That will limit admission further. It will help the privates that need to fill seats to make their annual budgets. Lastly, as a private entity, they can opt out if they already have a stud running back and point guard.
The real concern being discussed at the Capitol is what could happen in places like BR, Nola, Shreve, etc is you’ll see pop-ups similar to the fly-by-night charters looking to get in the “free state money” game. That could be disastrous.
The real concern being discussed at the Capitol is what could happen in places like BR, Nola, Shreve, etc is you’ll see pop-ups similar to the fly-by-night charters looking to get in the “free state money” game. That could be disastrous.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:31 am to Locoguan0
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Very true, for now. Like I said, with the public funds coming in, you will see lawsuits. How many private schools want to spend millions defending their enrollment practices and available programs?
If it becomes too much of a hassle, then the "good" private schools will just opt out. Now, I agree that a bunch of shite private schools will also probably pop up.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:34 am to Oilfieldbiology
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empower the teachers to discipline students in the class, kick kids out if they are disciplinary problems, and hold parents accountable for students being shite heads.
All of these things are huge issues in public schools currently. Also, at this point, none of them will happen.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:34 am to Duckhammer_77
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Also, regardless of public/private status, state law requires so many square feet per student in classrooms and there’s a max limit on students to teacher ratio. That will limit admission further.
We're touring private schools now, and they all already have a class size limit and waiting lists. They aren't just going to start accepting every random kid that now has 7.5k that can go towards tuition.
ETA: especially if it comes with strings attached.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 9:40 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:35 am to HangmanPage1
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Aside from your OT Baller status, would any of you use this option if it were to pass?
Would I take back a portion of my tax money if offered? Sure
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:52 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:None of this will happen. EVER. And anybody who thinks it will is living in an alternate reality. There's hardly an institution that has the bureaucratic and politically entrenched rot that public education has. And they make it about the kids to appeal to emotion, when the powers-that-be couldn't give 2 shits about the kids.
I hate it. It will only drive tuition up in the private schools and the same kids will be attending. Why don’t we fix the problem we have with public schools using this money? Reduce the number of administration positions, empower the teachers to discipline students in the class, kick kids out if they are disciplinary problems, and hold parents accountable for students being shite heads.
My son is currently in k3 private school (in MS), but we've gone through the loopholes to send him to a public school district in the next county over that has much better state test scores, student to teacher ratio, etc. because we're proactive. Is this not a possibility in LA? We had to pay the equivalent of what we would in taxes to send him there.
Perhaps a solution would be more money to those who utilize those taxpayer refunds to go to another public school?
One thing you can be sure of, the proactive parents will be the ones using this. The piece of shite trash parents aren't going to go out of their way to send their children elsewhere and deal with the extra effort required.
As a libertarian though, I fully expect the government to frick things up. The government, especially the federal government, shouldn't even be involved in education. Everything they meddle with goes to shite, you can COUNT on it. There will be ramifications for this bill, but overall I'm for it. Refund as much of the taxpayers' money as they possibly can that they steal from us.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:55 am to HangmanPage1
I think it’s already been done in alabama and other neighboring states and needs to be done here.
It’s not just for private school. It’s basically money per kid that way your kid doesn’t have to go to a shitty public school just bc of where they live. It will cause more schools to be competitive hopefully.
The school system is absolute shite in this state, esp in my area.
It sucks what I pay for private school but if the alternative is the shitty public schools here I’ll write the check everytime.
I’m envious of the people that can send their kids to good public schools. In my area, that’s not an option.
It’s not just for private school. It’s basically money per kid that way your kid doesn’t have to go to a shitty public school just bc of where they live. It will cause more schools to be competitive hopefully.
The school system is absolute shite in this state, esp in my area.
It sucks what I pay for private school but if the alternative is the shitty public schools here I’ll write the check everytime.
I’m envious of the people that can send their kids to good public schools. In my area, that’s not an option.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:55 am to Epic Cajun
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We're touring private schools now
Which ones?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:57 am to tigerbait3488
Why should your dad have to work two jobs to send his child to a decent school in America.
That my friend is bullshite.
That my friend is bullshite.
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