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re: Bill requiring Louisiana public schools to display the Ten Commandments passes House
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:52 am to WPBTiger
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:52 am to WPBTiger
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Bill requiring Louisiana public schools to display the Ten Commandments passes House
Now can they work on lowering our insurance costs?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:58 am to WPBTiger
Can somebody post the ten commandments here. I am sure elementary school kids would love to know what some of those things mean.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:58 am to wackatimesthree
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So? Yes, there is common content between Judaism, Christianity, and the Quran. It's called the Old Testament.
But what does that have to do with atheist students? Or students whose parents practice Wicca? Or Satanism? Or Hinduism? Buddhism? Taoism? Confucianism? Etc., etc. I think there are over 2,000 distinct religions recognized in the world.
Surely you realize that what this does (if allowed to stand) creates an airtight case for any (or all) of them to be represented in classrooms as well.
I'm not advocating for this to pass.
just pointing out that the people who think the 10 Commandments are only for Christians is not accurate.
and the 2 religions he specifically mentioned also have those same commandments.
and that will be Louisiana's argument.
that these commandments aren't specific to any one religion, so it's not advocating for any one religion.
they will (and should) still lose once this goes through the courts.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:00 am to WPBTiger
another waste of time bill that will have zero effect/impact on kids
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:02 am to Timeoday
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I guess any law dealing with stealing, lying, or murder can not be enforced since it is a form of goooooooooooooooberment sponsership of religion since those are also three of the Ten Commandments.
Now you are just trolling.
Those things are illegal because of state law, not because they happen to be also happen to appear in the ten commandments.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:06 am to Nutriaitch
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and that will be Louisiana's argument.
that these commandments aren't specific to any one religion, so it's not advocating for any one religion.
That argument will fall flat on its face.
The First Amendment prohibits Congress from making a law respecting an establishment of religion, period. Even though the tenets of the Ten Commandments can be found in more than one religious text, the fact that religion is established AT ALL (regardless of which religion the Ten Commandments is associated with) is what is unconstitutional.
... and you are correct. They will lose once this goes through the courts.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:07 am to WPBTiger
Dodie doin’ work, solving the real issues.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:08 am to CreoleTigerEsq
What these baws don't realize is that if it were legal to allow the 10 Commandments in schools, then schools would also have to permit displays like this:
The edgelords are lying in wait.
The edgelords are lying in wait.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:12 am to Indefatigable
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Those things are illegal because of state law, not because they happen to be also happen to appear in the ten commandments.
It would appear that the ten commandments are what inspired and created the fundamental foundation for law and society in modern Western civilization. The reason state laws exist are because of the influence of the commandments rather than "happen" to exist" independent of them. They are the very basis and reason for these laws.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:15 am to Timeoday
It's funny, because there are statutes against theft, perjury, and murder, but none of these words are located anywhere within the Ten Commandments.
Also, there is no criminal statute that exists on record within the state of Louisiana that provides the following definitions:
Though shall not steal.
Though shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Though shall not kill.
If your argument is that the development of criminal law was influenced by Judeo Christian values, I'd agree with you (to an extent), but you're being deliberately obtuse, and trying to place influence in the development of criminal statutes (as state law) by Judeo Christian customs and law, with the promulgation of state law requiring inclusion of religious text in public schools.
Apple, meet orange.
Also, there is no criminal statute that exists on record within the state of Louisiana that provides the following definitions:
Though shall not steal.
Though shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Though shall not kill.
If your argument is that the development of criminal law was influenced by Judeo Christian values, I'd agree with you (to an extent), but you're being deliberately obtuse, and trying to place influence in the development of criminal statutes (as state law) by Judeo Christian customs and law, with the promulgation of state law requiring inclusion of religious text in public schools.
Apple, meet orange.
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:15 am to BR92
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It would appear that the ten commandments are what inspired and created the fundamental foundation for law and society in modern Western civilization.
Are we to assume society started with the Torah?
Do you even Code of Hammurabi?
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The reason state laws exist are because of the influence of the commandments rather than "happen" to exist" independent of them. They are the very basis and reason for these laws.
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If a man commits a murder, that man must be killed.
If a man commits a robbery, he will be killed.
That predates the 10 Commandments by 700-1000 years.
It's from Code of Ur-Nammu
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:30 am to CreoleTigerEsq
They are violations of private property rights individual from religion. Religions also outlaw those things because, well, duh. Every society must outlaw, to some extent, lying, theft, and murder. To pretend that is all that is in the 10 Commandments or that non Abrahamic societies do not share those basic principles is intellectually dishonest.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:39 am to LSUFanHouston
They amended the bill too so that it applies to all public schools and any non-public school that receives any state funds.
I think they amended that part so that it would be more likely to get challenged in court.
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§2122. Ten Commandments; displays
(1) Each public school governing authority and the governing authority of each nonpublic school that receives state funds shall display the Ten Commandments in each building it uses and classroom in each school under its jurisdiction.
I think they amended that part so that it would be more likely to get challenged in court.
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 9:47 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:57 am to WPBTiger
No problem with allowing, my problem is with requiring
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:16 am to kingbob
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The republicans try to frame themselves as pro freedom, protecting private property rights, and personal responsibility.
Do they? I know they used to, but do they still?
I see mostly pandering to populism.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:25 am to WPBTiger
82-19. I didn’t even click the link, but feel comfortable in my assumption about where the votes fell along racial lines. How did I do?
ETA: How Representatives Voted on "Ten Commandments"
ETA: How Representatives Voted on "Ten Commandments"
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:28 am to The Boat
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“Separation of church and state” isn’t in the Constitution. Only that the US Congress can’t establish a national religion. The interpretation of the religion part of the 1st amendment has been completely bastardized.
“Separation of church and state” is the same kind of interpretation the left wants to use to get rid of the 2nd amendment. You can either follow the Constitution based on what’s in it or make up stuff to fit your agenda.
O.k., but—and I'm glad you brought this up—there really IS a big parallel between the left's attempt to subvert the 2nd and your reading of the 1st.
If we go by only the reading of the literal words without regard for what the words actually meant to the people who wrote them (based on their other writings and historical context), then since there is no recognized official well-regulated militia, there is no right to bear arms.
We know from history that the people who wrote the 2nd meant the citizenry by "well-regulated militia." But that's not exactly what they wrote.
Likewise, we know from history that they did not want the government to endorse or establish an official religion for America, whether that be by a Congressional Act or by some other means. They did not and could not have envisioned the federally controlled public school system of 2024 when they wrote the constitution. In their minds the only way a state religion would be established would be by congressional legislation, so that's what they wrote. But it's clear from history that they would have opposed any other means of. facilitating that outcome as well.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:30 am to Timeoday
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Because the Ten Commandments do not promote any religion
That's certainly moronic.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:35 am to Nutriaitch
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and that will be Louisiana's argument.
that these commandments aren't specific to any one religion, so it's not advocating for any one religion.
they will (and should) still lose once this goes through the courts.
Agreed.
The argument that it represents 3-4 religions (if you count Mormons) instead of just one is irrelevant.
It would have to relate to all religions equally in order to pass muster, which it clearly does not.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:36 am to wackatimesthree
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It would have to relate to all religions equally in order to pass muster
Where did you get this as the standard?
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