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re: Can this 747 take off?

Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:06 pm to
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
1771 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:06 pm to
First and foremost, any airplane needs lift, created by air moving at a high rate above and below the wing. If it does not have that, it won't fly. Does not matter how high the engines are turning.
Posted by habz007
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3750 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:15 pm to
Airplane on a treadmill thread…

16 years later, the next day
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
15027 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:24 pm to
My goodness! Do people really not know what makes an airplane fly?
Posted by subMOA
Komatipoort
Member since Jan 2010
1738 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:54 pm to
Anyone saying yes needs to meet a man named Bernoulli

And we all know y’all didn’t spend anytime in CEBA.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 5:55 pm
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:15 pm to
No, the plane would not be able to take off. Air speed is what causes lift, not wheel speed. Or at least thats what my brain is telling me despite not being an engineer
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
120011 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:32 pm to
It's Boeing. We don't know.
Posted by ultratiger89
Houston, Tx
Member since Aug 2007
3052 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:37 pm to
NO what a stupid question
Posted by Bubb
Member since Mar 2010
3952 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:39 pm to
Only if it reaches 88 mph and gets back to 1985.
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
7186 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:59 pm to
Who needs to teach math, science and common sense? Not us.. BLM, lbctq, antiqua power...

the wheels on the plane go round and round...... Everybody buy the pilot a drink.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 8:02 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29473 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:57 pm to
No because the airflow around the wings remains the same thus not creating lift
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81947 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:19 pm to
It's shocking to me that anyone says yes to this.
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12895 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:21 pm to
If there isn’t enough air flowing over the wings for them to create lift then no.

The only way that’s happening is the engines have to create suitable thrust or a giant-arse fan blowing enough air at it.

Posted by AgCoug
Houston
Member since Jan 2014
5888 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:27 pm to
It's been twenty years since I have seen this posted on the internet. Well done.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24190 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:48 pm to
Do you ever Mythbusters baw?

plane on Conveyer belt
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
40203 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 11:47 pm to
No. The thrust of the engines will definitely move the plane forward. The conveyor will prevent the wheels from gaining any ground by spinning. Therefore the wheels will skid on the conveyor. The thrust of the engines would not be enough to overcome the friction of the skidding wheels. ETA: The engines will overcome the friction but not enough to get to takeoff speed.

The fallacy is that there is no such thing as an instantaneous feedback loop that could speed the conveyor up at the same rate as the wheels. The scenario is impossible. The only thing that would cause the conveyor to start moving is wheel rotation which necessitates forward motion.

ETA: My certainty of being correct is 50%.
This post was edited on 4/13/24 at 3:19 am
Posted by carhartt
Member since Feb 2013
7745 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:44 am to
If the belt is going in the opposite direction the same speed as the wheels wouldn’t the forward speed be 0? If so, I think there wouldn’t be enough air to lift the plane off the ground.
Posted by TheDeathValley
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2010
17249 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:48 am to
As long as there is air flowing over the wing, the plane is generating lift.

The question is, does the plane actually move forward in this scenario?

Theory 1 - The conveyor moves fast enough to counteract any forward movement by the aircraft, it remains stationary, and this does not move nor fly

Theory 2 - The wheels move however the aircraft still has forward momentum, generates lift, and flies

My interpretation is that the power from an aircraft is coming from the engines and not the wheels. The conveyor would not act like a "brake" and that it prevents the wheels from moving at all. The plane would begin to accelerate down the conveyor despite the opposite force, and the plane would take off.




Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13363 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:50 am to
Well, since the wheels aren't what make a plane fly, I'm going to go ahead and say no.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15596 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:30 am to
The answer is no. Because if it was yes, there would be conveyor belt airports and aircraft carriers all over the world.
Posted by F1y0n7h3W4LL
Below I-10
Member since Jul 2019
1626 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:15 am to
This thread is so stupid, Twitter/X took the link down.
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