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re: Trump says abortion should be left up to the states
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:53 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:53 pm to Adam Banks
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So the fetus is only a person in your eyes in red states.
Screw them blue state kids amirite?
If you can point to where the Constitution sheds light on one's inalienable right to murder their unborn baby, we'll talk.
If it's not there, then I'm thinking this is squarely a Tenth Amendment matter, which is why I said Trump's position is the correct one.
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 1:09 pm to Tigerfan1274
Republicans cannot help themselves… They keep falling into the same goddamn bear trap that the Democrats set for them every single election cycle… How about not talk about it anymore? Did anybody ever think of that? Stop giving Democrats ammunition! But no everybody has a goddamn opinion and they need to let everybody know as soon as a microphone is shoved in their face. If Trump was smart, he would’ve said “why are we still talking about abortion? Hasn’t this already been decided before? let’s talk about the real important things that are destroying our country right now like the millions of illegal aliens that are invading our country killing our citizens and the inflation that is destroying the middle class… Let’s get that addressed and then we can come back to the social issues, but for now, don’t ask me that again. “
Posted on 4/8/24 at 1:10 pm to VoxDawg
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If it's not there, then I'm thinking this is squarely a Tenth Amendment matter, which is why I said Trump's position is the correct one.
Maybe, but probably not.
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 1:31 pm to Tigerfan1274
Honestly, EVERYTHING should be "up to the states". The fed should have always been just a tie that binds. Just to help coordinate.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:18 pm to SDVTiger
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Im surprised him wanting to win doesnt have you all worked up
I rarely get too invested in anything relating to Trump, but this one in particular was predictable. Him taking a political risk on abortion would be surprising. Him taking the easiest path available is not.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:27 pm to Tigerfan1274
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Trump says frick all these republicans in down ballot races.
Fify
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trump's comments aren't about the Constitution.
Actually they are exactly that, AND the exact comments of The SCOTUS.
Without a Federal Law mandating a position on abortion, the restrictions fall to each of the 50 States.
In conclusion, Abortion was not banned by the SCOTUS.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:49 pm to mahdragonz
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Either a fetus is a citizen or not.
False dilemma.
I can't kill an illegal immigrant even though he or she is not a citizen.
Citizenship is not required as a protection against someone taking your life.
A fetus is not a citizen. But it is a living human being.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:52 pm to VOR
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Removing a zygote is not killing a baby.
Killing a zygote is not killing a baby, but it is killing a live human being.
"Zygote," or "fetus," do not mean that we're not talking about human life. Those are anatomical terms used to describe what stage of development the human being is in. Just like "infant" or "adolescent."
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:53 pm to Tigerfan1274
he's right
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:44 pm to Tigerfan1274
How can any American have a problem with that???? It's what our Constitution dictates. If your against the Constitution, haul ur arse somewhere else. We don't want you or need you.
Kick rocks.
Kick rocks.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:45 pm to Pettifogger
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I rarely get too invested in anything relating to Trump
sure Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:47 pm to Tigerfan1274
Good thats how i want ever republican to speak on it.
States issue, get it out of the federal discussion.
There is a reason so many single females vote for democrats and married women dont.
Its strictly on abortion.
An abortion ban only puts democrats in power
States issue, get it out of the federal discussion.
There is a reason so many single females vote for democrats and married women dont.
Its strictly on abortion.
An abortion ban only puts democrats in power
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Trump’s announcement of his support of IVF and abortion (exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother).
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 4/8/24 at 5:41 pm to Pettifogger
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I rarely get too invested in anything relating to Trump, but this one in particular was predictable. Him taking a political risk on abortion would be surprising. Him taking the easiest path available is not.
Easiest??? What risk is there???
If the Constitution doesn't specify, it's up to the state!
So simple. It's not complicated not a bigger issue. It's up to the state. Period.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 5:57 pm to Adam Banks
Good. Nobody gives a frick about abortion when EVERYBODY is struggling just to put food on the table.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:51 pm to LegalEazyE
You probably actually believe that
most abortions are late term, but there’s no real evidence to support that belief. It’s all emotion.
most abortions are late term, but there’s no real evidence to support that belief. It’s all emotion.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:19 pm to SDVTiger
1-Trump’s position is correct from a constitutional standpoint. The federal government can’t regulate abortion. That was the entire reason Roe was wrong and the entire reason Dobbs was correctly decided.
2-Ron’s failure to see that abortion shouldn’t be a nation issue was a legal error.
3- You are correct - Ron’s thinking that a 6wk timeframe is popular nationwide is a political miscalculation
4-forcing a 6 wk abortion ban on an initiative is also a political miscalculation. I don’t think it will pass. Because the options are too binary. The pro-life movement needed to get legislation passed that way - laws can be designed an exceptions and conditions can be placed.
Late term abortions are a loser. Nobody wants to see them legal. This issue only wins when voters are faced with an all or nothing.
This initiative is going to drive lunatic feminists to the polls like nothing else, and give Democrats a “war on women” message which is ludicrous, but it works. It’s a mistake.
2-Ron’s failure to see that abortion shouldn’t be a nation issue was a legal error.
3- You are correct - Ron’s thinking that a 6wk timeframe is popular nationwide is a political miscalculation
4-forcing a 6 wk abortion ban on an initiative is also a political miscalculation. I don’t think it will pass. Because the options are too binary. The pro-life movement needed to get legislation passed that way - laws can be designed an exceptions and conditions can be placed.
Late term abortions are a loser. Nobody wants to see them legal. This issue only wins when voters are faced with an all or nothing.
This initiative is going to drive lunatic feminists to the polls like nothing else, and give Democrats a “war on women” message which is ludicrous, but it works. It’s a mistake.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:31 pm to Hoops
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Why do some people act like there’s something wrong with the states deciding how they are run?
Because the majority of Americans have been conditioned to believe the answer to nearly every issue is government intervention. And they have been conditioned to believe the Federal Government is the supreme power. When in reality, the power belongs to the States and always has. The States granted certain powers to the Fed via the Constitution. Therefore, if it is not outlined in the Constitution, it is left to the States.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:37 pm to FLTech
quote:There are a lot of deluded people who think that abortion is good precisely because they are struggling to put food on the table. They would rather give up the lives of their pre-born children than take responsibility for their own sexual behaviors.
Good. Nobody gives a frick about abortion when EVERYBODY is struggling just to put food on the table.
This country is full of morally bankrupt individuals who have been deceived to believe that abortion is not a moral issue.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:39 pm to Cuz413
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Because the majority of Americans have been conditioned to believe the answer to nearly every issue is government intervention. And they have been conditioned to believe the Federal Government is the supreme power. When in reality, the power belongs to the States and always has. The States granted certain powers to the Fed via the Constitution. Therefore, if it is not outlined in the Constitution, it is left to the States.
This shouldn't belong to the states, either.
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