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re: Barry Bonds is the GOAT Baseball Player
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:45 am to msudawg1200
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:45 am to msudawg1200
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Aaron was much better than he's given credit for being a Top 3-5 all timer. I think the longevity thing has been blown out of proportion. He wasn't playing just to keep playing. He was still a Top 5-10 player in the league when he was 40. Only his last two years when he went back to Milwaukee were playing out the string type years.
If Aaron played with the Yankees, Cubs, or Red Sox he would be getting all the glazing. Though Mantle I think is somehow underrated by general consensus even if he wasn't better than Hank.
Bonds is the GOAT though
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:00 am to VolSquatch
People low rate Bonds because he was such a turd but I still would put Mays as the position player GOAT because he was a 10 at every tool including arm and defense. Bonds was never a 10 at every tool. When I look at rating someone overall I look at every tool not just hitting.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:08 am to InkStainedWretch
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Bonds was never a 10 at every tool.
Young Bonds was a complete player
He was a totally different player than water-head Bonds
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:11 am to VolSquatch
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Mantle I think is somehow underrated
Mantle’s peak was extremely high.
Mantle’s career standing is overrated if people are putting him up there with Ruth, Mays, Williams, Musial etc.. Aside from batting average and a little speed, he’d be considered a Mike Schmidt if he played for a team like the Royals. That’s not an insult as Schmidt is WAY underrated. It’s just a reality.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 9:13 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:14 am to VolSquatch
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If Aaron played with the Yankees, Cubs, or Red Sox he would be getting all the glazing. Though Mantle I think is somehow underrated by general consensus even if he wasn't better than Hank.
Yep. No doubt on all of this.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:26 am to theunknownknight
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Aside from batting average and a little speed
Mantle was pretty fast.
Ted Williams once said "if I could run like that sonofabitch, I'd hit .400 every year"
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:37 am to theunknownknight
But his glove and arm weren’t peak Willie Mays level even if he was more complete pre-roids.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:52 am to theunknownknight
Mantle has a lot of childhood memories and romance attached to him, much like Koufax. People in that era wanted to be him in a way that modern folks who get lost in stats … and I say that strongly believing in analytics … can’t understand.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:45 pm to VolSquatch
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Though Mantle I think is somehow underrated by general consensus even if he wasn't better than Hank.
Lol
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:47 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Mantle has a lot of childhood memories and romance attached to him, much like Koufax.
I think much of this has to do with very few games being televised and then only seeing/hearing about the highlights. Whereas, modern athletes have every movement filmed and analyzed and every statistical metric under the sun used to weigh how good or bad they are. It’s just a different world. And there are some people whose childhood memories just aren’t reality but they will also never let them go no matter how much evidence to the contrary is presented.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:57 pm to lsufball19
The thing is peak Mantle was really that good, absolutely had GOAT chops both by modern metrics and the old/school eye test. In 1956 he arguably was as good as any baseball player who’s ever existed on this planet. He simply didn’t sustain that because of injuries and his lifestyle.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:10 pm to InkStainedWretch
Let’s not forget about a very seldom talked about stud. Frank Robinson…
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:12 pm to TigerLifer18
Goatest is Ken Griffey jr. He wasn’t on the juice
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:58 pm to dukke v
Oh now you’re talking. He was a first ballot Hall of Famer but IMO he’s still horribly underrated historically.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:03 pm to InkStainedWretch
MVP in both leagues. A triple crown winner. 
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:43 pm to dukke v
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Overall Berra was better than mantle
Berra was, and still is, a media-driven case study. Berra would never win an MVP in modern times because the voters are too smart now. But he cleaned up in the 50's and stole MVPs from better players, esp in 55' in which Mantle should have won the first of 3 in a row.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:51 pm to TigerLifer18
I’ll die on that Barry Bonds hill with ya
When he was catching all that hate in the late 2000s I became a bigger fan of his
When he was catching all that hate in the late 2000s I became a bigger fan of his
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:56 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Uh no...go away with that Lance Armstrong argument. How many rings does he have? Nobody wanted to play with him. He had a few co-stars on his team that hated him.
Joe DiMaggio – 9 Rings ...
Lou Gehrig – 8 Rings ...
Babe Ruth – 7 Rings ...
Mickey Mantle – 7 Rings ...
Bonds never elevated his team...in fact he blew it on the Pirates because he had a girls arm and couldn't throw out the slowest motherfricker who ever played major league baseball.
Hitting bombs while juiced is not the definition of greatness.
Your whole point is retarded and you stats are wrong
Gehrig has 10 rings
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:02 pm to Boodis Man
quote:overrated he's not a top 5 of his era(Bonds A-Rod Pujols Pudge Chipper)
Goatest is Ken Griffey jr. He wasn’t on the juice
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:13 pm to Lester Earl
Championships. Berra 10
Mantle 7. The yanks could have put another decent player in the outfield and still win 7. Take Berra away and that number drops bigtime.
Mantle 7. The yanks could have put another decent player in the outfield and still win 7. Take Berra away and that number drops bigtime.
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