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Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:39 pm to lsufball19
Ok, now you are showing your baseball stupidity.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:40 pm to dukke v
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Ok, now you are showing your baseball stupidity.
Every single person that has ever covered the sport would say Mantle was a better overall player than Berra but ok
Mantle is always in the conversation for best baseball player ever. Berra is not
What this boils down to is you liking Berra more, him being good, the stats not supporting him being better, and you arguing intangibles. You do this all the time
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:43 pm to lsufball19
Are intangibles not part of a players worth????
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:45 pm to dukke v
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Are intangibles not part of a players worth????
I guess if you can’t argue your point with something tangible, sure
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:45 pm to lsufball19
I would absolutely agree with you but you know what? If I could have a choice of the two to start an imaginary team, I might well take Yogi just because, even if Mantle was “the better player.” Because it’s easier to find a historically elite outfielder than it is to find a historically elite catcher.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:50 pm to lsufball19
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Pre juice it was .968.
Still higher than Griffey's from 1989-2000 (.948). I stopped at 2000 because Griffey's career fell off a cliff starting in 2001.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:57 pm to lsufball19
Ok…. You can look at any stat book you want. You can look at any YouTube video you want. Baseball knowledge comes from experience. I have watched history unfold for almost 60 years. You … not so much. There is a lot more than just what you are bringing up. I am a bit surprised because I thought you played for LSU. I guess you didn’t learn much from that experience.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:09 pm to dukke v
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Baseball knowledge comes from experience. I have watched history unfold for almost 60 years. You … not so much.
ok so not old enough to have watched either play, just like meThis post was edited on 2/19/24 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:10 pm to VADawg
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Still higher than Griffey's from 1989-2000 (.948).
Marginally.
quote:
Griffey's career fell off a cliff starting in 2001.
Maybe had he cheated like Bonds his career would have turned out differently
Somehow Bonds got better the older he got. Guess he’s just that special.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:22 pm to dukke v
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Overall Berra was better than mantle
Holy frick
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:26 pm to grizzlylongcut
First question is how old are you???
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:28 pm to lsufball19
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Mantle is always in the conversation for best baseball player ever.
You know how big Mickey Mantle was?
When he died 30 years after he retired... Sports Illustrated didn't even have to put his name on the cover for the younger generations.
August 21, 1995 issue
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:30 pm to Liberator
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Only reason Mantle persevered was that he was blessed with tremendous spirit & determination and gifted with extra-thick muscularity which compensated for the lack of knee cartilage.
Yeah, there was a longtime athletic trainer with the Yankees who had given hundreds of athletes training massages and he swore that Mantle's muscles felt completely different from everyone else's, like they were double knitted or something.
And before he tore his knee up as a rookie, he was lightning fast. But all of the wear and tear eventually took their toll. All the men in his family died young so he was determined to pack as much hard living in as he could which didn't help.
Mantle was just different and everyone knew it. Same was true for Bonds, Cobb and Williams but they didn't have his (or Ruth's) natural charm and likeability.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:31 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
That’s because he was the all American guy when baseball was at its peak. There is no telling how great he could have been had he been healthy all the time he was hurt.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:45 pm to redfish99
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He was on pace to becoming the undisputed best player ever.
no he wasn't.
he was on pace to be a really good player and a hall of famer.
but wasn't anywhere remotely close to on way to greatest ever.
Hell, he wasn't even the best ACTIVE player at the time.
Jr. through his first 10 seasons was better than Bonds nearly across the board
Ken Griffey Jr. first 10 seasons (1989-1999)
.300 / .379 / .568
350 HR ; 1,018 RBI
9 gold gloves ; 6 silver sluggers
Bonds through 10 seasons (1986 - 1995)
.286 / .568 / .541
292 HR ; 864 RBI
5 gold gloves ; 5 silver sluggers
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:54 pm to TigerLifer18
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Barry Bonds is the GOAT Baseball Player
Wasn't his fielding suspect though? He did help the Pirates blow the 92 NLCS by not moving in closer for Cabrera's at-bat and his throw to the catcher reached home late as a result
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:59 pm to AUFANATL
It is believed now that Mantle played most of his career with an undiagnosed and as such untreated torn ACL in his knee.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:01 pm to TravisKelces Bandaid
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And for the record, I agree that Barry Bonds is the greatest hitter I have seen in my lifetime.
Isn't he way out in front on the intentional walks list?
LOL. yep
1. Barry Bonds (22) 688 12606 L
2. Albert Pujols (22) 316 13041 R
3. Stan Musial+ (22) 298 12721 L
4. Henry Aaron+ (23) 293 13941 R
5. Willie McCovey+ (22) 260 9692 L
6. Ted Williams+ (19) 258 9792 L
7. Vladimir Guerrero+ (16) 250 9059 R
8. Ken Griffey Jr.+ (22) 246 11304 L
9. Miguel Cabrera (21) 238 11796 R
10. George Brett+ (21) 229 11625
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:08 pm to i am dan
I will say this…. The majority
Of the players
On your list played when managers and pitchers weren’t huge pussies. They challenged hitters more back then.
Of the players
On your list played when managers and pitchers weren’t huge pussies. They challenged hitters more back then.
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