re: Barry Bonds is the GOAT Baseball Player

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steroids have always been banned in baseball.

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Do you have Google?

From Wiki:

"The 1991 memo did not ban the use of steroids. Steroids were first banned from use in MLB in 2005, with HGH banned from use in 2011. Fay Vincent is actually on record stating that Congress has a list of illegal substances that include steroids that one must obtain via a prescription. He is on record of saying that he in no way banned steroids from MLB, but merely passed along the information that Congress considered the substances illegal without a prescription.[30]"

You think Bob Gibson or Jack Morris would have intentionally walk Barry bonds????

If the manager had ordered it, yes. Even Gibson and Morris were not going to disobey the boss.

Ok I guess. But only because they had do.

Oh I agree. I was just making the same point I have made for years… todays pitchers suck. They have what they call a ( quality start). WTF is that??? Back in the good ole days, starters went on 3 days rest and complete games everywhere. I assure you that if Barry bonds just happen to hit a moonshot off Gibson, he better not stand there and look at it. Bad news.

Sorry, it’s his godfather, the “say hey kid”. His athleticism in cf was outrageous and pretty fair hitter too.

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That’s because he was the all American guy when baseball was at its peak. There is no telling how great he could have been had he been healthy all the time he was hurt.

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Tommy Lasorda said Mickey Mantle (when healthy) was the best he ever saw....and Tommy was in the game forever...saw Ruth as a kid, saw Ted Williams, Mays, Joe D, Musial, Aaron, Rose, Reggie, Griffey, Bonds, etc. Sorta trust his opinion.

Read 4 pages and lots of good cases given in the thread for many men.

Likely not the GOATs, but mine is Pete Rose or Puckett. They captivated several of us small town players in my burg. We weren't dingers but wanted to get on base like them. Rose was an idol.

I agree that Mantle had the chops to be the GOAT. Absolutely. He just couldn’t stay healthy or sober enough to get there.

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Do you have Google?

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do you?
and can you maybe use a site that doesn't allow any schmuck with a keyboard to edit?

SI.com

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A brief history of major league baseball's drug policy:

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Baseball's first written drug policy was issued by commissioner Bowie Kuhn at the start of the '71 season. The policy did not explicitly address anabolic steroids, but it did say that baseball personnel must "comply with federal and state drug laws." Federal law at the time mandated that an appropriate prescription be obtained for the use of anabolic steroids.

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COMMISSIONER FAY VINCENT'S JUNE 7, 1991, MEMO

Each team and the players' union received the memo, which begins, "This memorandum sets forth Baseball's drug policy." The memo goes on to say, "The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel is strictly prohibited.... This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs ... including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription."

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a valid prescription. meaning an actual valid legit reason for having them.

just like there are pain killers they can take after surgeries, legit injuries, etc. that they can't have just randomly in their system at other times.

"getting swole and hitting more dingers" is not a valid reason to get a prescription.

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COMMISSIONER BUD SELIG'S MAY 15, 1997, MEMO

Selig reissued Vincent's statement on baseball's drug policy and also reiterated Vincent's assertion that any players violating the policy "risk permanent expulsion from the game," in addition to any penalty imposed by the player's club.

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THE MITCHELL REPORT, RELEASED DEC. 13, 2007, CLARIFYING MLB'S DRUG POLICY

"Many have asserted that steroids and other performance enhancing substances were not banned in Major League Baseball before the 2002 Basic Agreement. This is not accurate. Beginning in 1971 and continuing today, Major League Baseball's drug policy has prohibited the use of any prescription medication without a valid prescription.

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By implication, this prohibition applied to steroids even before 1991, when Commissioner Fay Vincent first expressly included steroids in baseball's drug policy.

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Steroids have been listed as a prohibited substance under the Major League Baseball drug policy since then, although no player was disciplined for steroid use before the prohibition was added to the collective bargaining agreement in 2002.

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"It is also inaccurate to assert, as some have, that baseball's drug policy was not binding on players before it was added to the collective bargaining agreement. Many players were suspended for drug offenses before 2002, even though none of those suspensions related to the use of steroids or other performance enhancing substances. Some suspensions were reduced in grievance arbitrations brought by the Players Association, but no arbitrator ever has questioned the authority of the Commissioner to discipline players for 'just cause' based on their possession, use, or distribution of prohibited drugs."

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Steroids have absolutely been banned since the very beginning of baseball's drug policy in the early '70s.

no, it wasn't specifically listed, because there are literally thousands of drugs that fall under the same rule that steroids did.
the rule itself would be hundreds of pages long if they listed everything by name.