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re: Is it Realistic that an NIL contract REQUIRE players to play in ALL games?
Posted on 12/31/23 at 8:47 am to emanresu
Posted on 12/31/23 at 8:47 am to emanresu
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Such contracts cannot be legally enforced, currently. It is illegal to insert a clause in an NIL contract to demand any participation whatsoever. It cannot in any way be tied to participation.
I get that. I wasn't clear, but I meant contracts with individual companies that had clauses requiring players to either live within a certain radius of the school or to make appearances or do commercials through a certain date that would practically function as "pay for play," with the wording not specifying it. Which, to my point, would be restrictive. And why would a player with options sign that with an individual company tied to school A, when an individual company tied with school B wouldn't require the same restrictions.
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Once college football goes to a player association with employment status, that will all change. But right now you can't give anyone a penny and demand anything related to participation in any form.
Believe me, I understand this. It's why I laugh at the notions of, like OP's, any sort of demand to finish out the season. Could not be enforced currently. And if the players do ever become employees, there will have to be new legislation concerning anti-trust laws specific to college football. Or maybe they can operate under the current ones.
But, like you said, a CFBPA would have to be created, and there is zero chance they would agree to anything that would require players to play in a certain amount of games or have to pay back money they've already received. That's absurd, and nobody, in any industry, would agree to that. The best they could do would be to get paid for each game played (or eligible to play). So bowl opt-outs just wouldn't get paid for a 13th game (14th if they played in a CCG). But I don't think that 1-game amount would be significant enough to incentivize playing for the guys opting out to focus on preparing for the NFL Draft.
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Posted on 12/31/23 at 8:50 am to BBATiger
THE END IS COMING, the NCAA has stepped in a pile of shite, and can't shake it off their boot. It can't last much longer, the have and have nots cannot survive college football "free agency". Transfer portals, NIL contracts, Opt Outs, Conference swapping, Bowl games, Flagrant recruiting. What's next, Agents for college players, transferring during the season, player unions, NIL money by positions, etc. etc. As a fan, Im losing interest, what say you.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 9:00 am to tigerfan in bamaland
No. That would be a pay-for-play contract. The payment for use of the player’s Name, Image, and/or Likeness. Not performance. Now, is the payment used as an inducement for the player to play with a certain school? Of course. But the contract can’t specify such.
Agreed. It’s the most meaningless “postseason” in all of sports. The players just finally figured that out. Plus, it’s a great example of more is not better.
40-50 years ago there were relatively few bow games. So reaching one was an accomplishment. But, ESPN saw bowls as an opportunity to create programming. So more and more we’re created. Now something like 70% of teams make a bowl game. It’s more difficult to NOT reach a bowl game.
People don’t like change. But they’ll soon find the expanded playoff will be great! Whatever bowl games survive should be viewed as what they’ve long been. Glorified exhibition games that are fun to watch, but have little bearing on anything
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I don’t understand clinging to this bowl system. Let it go. Unnecessary.
Agreed. It’s the most meaningless “postseason” in all of sports. The players just finally figured that out. Plus, it’s a great example of more is not better.
40-50 years ago there were relatively few bow games. So reaching one was an accomplishment. But, ESPN saw bowls as an opportunity to create programming. So more and more we’re created. Now something like 70% of teams make a bowl game. It’s more difficult to NOT reach a bowl game.
People don’t like change. But they’ll soon find the expanded playoff will be great! Whatever bowl games survive should be viewed as what they’ve long been. Glorified exhibition games that are fun to watch, but have little bearing on anything
Posted on 12/31/23 at 9:22 am to Sp0728
That is a foolish comparison. The bowl games are a nice reward for teams, generates revenue for the team and the host cities.
What really needs to change is NIL and the portal. They need to have some reasonable rules for both. Maybe the portal should be closed once the season begins until the week after the Championship game is played.
What really needs to change is NIL and the portal. They need to have some reasonable rules for both. Maybe the portal should be closed once the season begins until the week after the Championship game is played.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 9:23 am to WylieTiger
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I get it, but how does one account for transfers when the academic calendar dictates that players transfer prior to bowl games (I'm assuming this is the reason for the current transfer window)?
The current academic calendar is a huge problem. But it's not just the portal window. It's the fact that transfers have to be enrolled in their new schools, usually by the end of the 1st week in January, to be able to participate in spring practice. And if you're going to a new school to hopefully start, not going through spring would put you at a pretty big disadvantage. It's why the backup at Texas had to make the tough decision to leave the team in the middle of a national championship run. He didn't want to have to do that. And I bet Sark and his teammates would still love for him to be there even if they knew he'd be at another school next year. But he has to be enrolled at his new school in the next 10 days.
And it's why Heard isn't playing in LSU's bowl game. I don't like the way he's handled it, but that game being on NYD sucks for guys thinking about transferring. The portal closes the next day, and he'd have to come home from Tampa, talk to Kelly, Davis, and his family, and put his name in within 24 hours. And if he decided to leave, find a new school, get enrolled and move within the next week. And it wouldn't allow him to take very many visits--if any at all--before making his decision of where to transfer. Again, don't like how he's handled this, especially the timing. You'd think these conversations could have been had in the past month (but maybe Kelly and Davis weren't as available, focusing on Early Signing Day, which is another piece of the calendar clusterfrick). But I think the calendar helps create these bad situations. If we had played our bowl on December 20th, I think Heard plays no question. But as it is, there are just too many things squeezed too closely together. And it sucks for everybody involved.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 9:30 am to B00M
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Maybe the portal should be closed once the season begins until the week after the Championship game is played.
The problem with that is the semester ends in Dec and starts again a week after the NCG. And some schools on the quarter system it will have started already
Posted on 12/31/23 at 9:40 am to BBATiger
If these so called “student” athletes are now getting paid nil money to play then ABSOLUTELY they need to be held accountable every step of the way. Class attendance, practice attendance, in season and offseason workouts, on and off the field discipline, etc.
You have now entered reality and the real world, little “student” athletes and you’re getting paid so guess what? YOU NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE OR YOU DON’T GET PAID!
If I’m a major nil donor you can bet your arse that you will be held accountable and then paid accordingly.
Most of these turds think that they’re owed this money so they’ll just do as they please.
The ncaa really didn’t think through this crap they have created!
You have now entered reality and the real world, little “student” athletes and you’re getting paid so guess what? YOU NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE OR YOU DON’T GET PAID!
If I’m a major nil donor you can bet your arse that you will be held accountable and then paid accordingly.
Most of these turds think that they’re owed this money so they’ll just do as they please.
The ncaa really didn’t think through this crap they have created!
Posted on 12/31/23 at 9:53 am to RockoRou
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the NCAA has stepped in a pile of shite, and can't shake it off their boot.
As terrible as they have been, I don't think any of this is really the NCAA's fault. Once it got into the court system and they ruled that all of this was unfair and couldn't legally be enforced by the NCAA, what were they to do? Like this new administration came in and wanted to get away from the 2nd transfer waivers--they were denying almost all of them while the previous regime was granting them out all willy nilly. But somebody took it a West Virginia (?) court, the court ruled for the player, and a few weeks later, the announcement comes out that everybody can transfer a 2nd time without consequence.
The only authority the NCAA ever had was the authority given to them by its member institutions. They have a small executive body, but the majority of the NCAA is its legislative body, made up entirely of employees of its member institutions. And, though the NCAA has been terrible throughout history in this regard, most of its member institutions were fine giving them that authority as long as everyone had to play by the same rules agreed to.
Which worked great (except for some schools who got hosed by selective and unequal punishment). It was only when all these gigantic tv deals were being signed and coaches went from making a million dollars a year to 8, 9, 10, that players started waking up and wanting their share. Then we got the player empowerment movement (which, for this particular discussion, my feelings are neutral on). But once players starting challenging these things and it got into the court system, that is when the NCAA lost all its teeth. There is literally nothing they can do a this point.
And for all the people saying to tear down the NCAA--or the P4 schools leaving it altogether and creating their own, new governing body, won't that entity still only have the authority granted it by its member institutions? And won't these same issues just wind up back in the courts with similar or the exact same results?
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ollege football "free agency". Transfer portals, NIL contracts, Opt Outs, Conference swapping, Bowl games, Flagrant recruiting. What's next, Agents for college players, transferring during the season, player unions, NIL money by positions, etc. etc. As a fan, Im losing interest, what say you.
I hate it too. And I am losing a bit of interest. But once College Football became a billion dollar industry, it was only a matter of time before guys actually playing the sport wanted a piece. It was inevitable. And now that the genie is out of the bottle, I don't think there's any putting it back. It sucks. And though there are likely smart people who can create certain systems that will allow for it to continue--and continue to be very profitable--it will never be the same as it once was. And us old-heads can complain and bitch and moan about the "good ol' days," but we'll eventually die off and college football will survive under this new normal.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 9:55 am to BBATiger
NIL can’t be tied to playing time or performance, it’s pretty much the only rule there is
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:01 am to BBATiger
The players union will never allow it
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:07 am to H-Town Tiger
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And some schools on the quarter system it will have started already
That could be a good thing that some schools could potentially take advantage of, I'd think. True, the winter quarter has started, but the sprig quarter won't start until...well, spring.
So players could still enroll for the Spring quarter and be eligible to participate in spring practice. It would give them more time to make their decisions, though granted, much fewer options. Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:09 am to tigerfan in bamaland
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I don’t understand clinging to this bowl system.
Because they do good TV ratings - even the shitty ones. And the networks have a lot of holiday time slots to fill.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:21 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Because they do good TV ratings - even the shitty ones. And the networks have a lot of holiday time slots to fill.
This 100% why they exist, strictly as TV content, but I think the poster meant why do fans cling to it? Our sports culture today seems anything short of the Championship as a “failure” attendance at bowl games has been sparse for a long time. Even in the BCS era the BCS bowls that were not the CG were struggling to sell tickets many years. It’s hypocritical to expect the players to treat the bowls as important when the rest of the sports world does not
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:24 am to Sp0728
Do yall not realize how important the 13+ practices between the end of the regular season and bowl games are? Even if 15% of your team opts out, the other 85% gets a great chance of getting reps and preparing for the next year. Its a huge deal.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:31 am to BBATiger
I don't understand this fricking obsessive hysteria that some of you have over the relevancy of bowl games. Why can't you just let the rest of us enjoy the traditional bowl games pitting teams with intersectional opponents regardless of who is playing in the game or its relevance alongside the playoffs. Go do something else if you don't care. We don't care about hearing your constant shite about what other people and players should or shouldn't do.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:42 am to AlextheBodacious
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The only problem is people caring about bowls that don’t matter.
I hardly think enjoying watching a game is a problem. These games "matter" because we enjoy watching them. But that applies to ALL games. If there were no fans, these games really wouldn't matter much at all. Who wins or loses wouldn't matter. Who opts out wouldn't matter. Whom signs where wouldn't matter. And NIL would definitely not be a thing. This is all about entertainment so viewers matter. More viewers equals more money. As spectators, we enjoy watching these games...for now. They still matter to us. And frankly, I would like to continue watching them in the future. But something needs to change. These opt outs will certainly make them less and less interesting.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:52 am to BBATiger
do you not have Google on your network?
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:56 am to Alt26
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Plus, it’s a great example of more is not better.
if only people understood that when it came to the playoffs.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:58 am to Sp0728
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Imagine if the NFL teams not in the playoffs would play a random game at end of the season?
imagine an NFL where teams damn near HAD to be undefeated to get in.
imagine the level of play you would get during the regular season.
instead of, one, two, even 3 losses are no big deal.
we had that in college football.
not any more going forward unfortunately.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:33 am to tigerfan in bamaland
Agreed. But… as long as universities keep getting paid to play in bowls, you’ll have a bowl system. It’s the Rocky V of football. A pure cash grab.
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